 Abt 1036 - 1094 (58 years)
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| Name |
Ives (Ivo) De Taillebois |
| Prefix |
Baron |
| Birth |
Abt 1036 |
Cristot, Calvados, Normandy, France  [1] |
| Gender |
Male |
| Death |
1094 |
Kendal, Cambria, England [2] |
| Person ID |
I70262 |
Cecilie Family |
| Last Modified |
1 Jan 2010 |
| Father |
Count Geoffroy II Of The Gatinais, b. Abt 1000, Chateau Landon, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France d. 1 Apr 1046, Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France (Age 46 years) |
| Mother |
Countess Ermengarde Of Anjou, b. 1018, Of, Anjou, France d. 18 Mar 1076, Anjou, France (Age 58 years) |
| Marriage |
1035 |
France [3] |
| Family ID |
F22123 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family 1 |
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| Marriage |
Aft 1076 |
2ND Husband |
| Children |
| | 1. William De Taillebois Of Lancaster, b. Abt 1077, Lancaster, Lancashire, England d. Yes, date unknown |
| | 2. Waltheof (Waldelf) De Hepple, b. Bef 1086, Hepple, Rothbury, Northumberland, England d. Bef 1161 (Age 75 years) |
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| Family ID |
F30667 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
2 Mar 2009 |
| Family 2 |
Countess Lucy De Rumily, b. Abt 1070, Crowland & Spalding, Lincolnshire, England d. Abt 1136 (Age 66 years) |
| Marriage |
Aft 1086 |
1st Husband 2ND Wife [4] |
| Children |
| | 1. Christina De Taillebois, b. Aft 1086, Kendal, Cambria, England d. Yes, date unknown |
| | 2. Beatrice De Taillebois, b. Abt 1090, Taillebois, Orne, Normandy, France d. Yes, date unknown |
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| Family ID |
F30595 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
1 Jan 2010 |
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| Notes |
- Came with William the Conqueror. In 1092 (shortly before his death) William II Rufus drove the Scots from the Lake District and gave Kendal to Ivo de Taillebois, whose descendants maintained an interest in the town until the nineteenth century.
No published source that I have gives parents for Ives/Ivo. World Connect/rootsweb was the source of Gatinais/Anjou as parents, and I have seen references in soc.genealogy.medieval as "of Anjou" which fits with his mother. The book "Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families" does give a reliable account of his origins in Cristot, Calvados,Normandy, although that is not where he was necessarily born, and he may have held other lands than just Cristot.
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The following concerns Ivo's origins in Normandy, prior to the conquest:
Taillebois.
Cristot: Calvados, arr. Caen, cant. Tily-sur-Seulles.
A note in the cartulary of La Trinite de Vendome mentions a copy of the grant of the church and patronage of Cristot by Ives Taillebois to the abbey. An account of Cristot is given in Beziers, "Diocese de Bayeux, vol ii, p. 192. [Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families]
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The following is a post to SGM, 22 Oct 2001, by Rosie Bevan (gives details of Ivo's claim to Kendal):
From: Rosie Bevan (cbevan@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Taillebois [was Gundred de Warenne, Countess of Warwick)
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-10-22 17:57:13 PST
Hi Todd
Yes, I agree in the normal course of events, it was very unusual for a Norman to name a son by an English name. On the face of it, this family appears to have been a mix of Norman, Saxon and Scandinavian and blood. The barony of Kendal was granted to Ivo de Taillebois, who died about 1089, by William Rufus and during the reign of Henry I it passed to Ketel son of Eldred, lord of Workington. Ketel was followed by his son Gilbert and Gilbert by his son William of Lancaster. Dugdale in Monasticon [v.5, p.249] claims that William was called Taillebois and by permission from the king (Henry II) changed his name to Lancaster. [Sanders p.56]. Why he would need permission, I'm not sure. Ketel also had a son Orm which I think is also a Scandinavian name. I think it is important to remember that this was at the northern tip of the Norman empire in England where Norman influence and culture was not initially quite so important locally and the north of England has always had a different culture and perspective from the south. Cumberland was not even covered in the Domesday Book.
Whether there is a genetic link between Ivo de Taillebois and Eldred is not absolutely clear but for Eldred to have been born to Ivo, he (Ivo) would have had to have married a very high status Saxon lady (his marriage to Countess Lucy was evidently contracted late in life). For Eldred to have had a son with a Norwegian name he would have had to have married a high status Norwegian lady. Ketel appears to have maried a Norman lady although Orm, Ketel's son, was reputedly married to Gunnild da. of Gospatric and granddaughter of Harold II. I am no expert on this period (and it probably shows) so would appreciate informed comment from someone who has studied
this line.
Cheers
Rosie
Note: I at one time had Eldred as son of Ivo de Taillebois, but have subsequently changed it based on later information to his son Ketel (Chetell) marrying a daughter of Ivo, thus explaining the relationship.
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The following information on Ivo was supplied in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:
Not much to hang your hat on, but...
Ivo de Talboys. Also called 'cut-bush'. Married Lucy. In charge of siege of Hereward the Wake at Ely, 1069. Steward to William II. Holdings in Lincs. and Norfolk.
[Ref: Domesday Online: http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/index.html]
The Lancasters are said to be descendants of Ivo de Taillebois and as William was governor of Lancaster Castle assumed the name accordingly. [Stemma Ivonis de Tayleboyse (ex registro S. Mar Ebor New Monast iii 553) Ivo is stated to have had issue Elthred, the father of Ketel, the father of Gilbert, father of Wm of Lancaster who married Gundreda Countess of Warwick. Ketellus filius Elredi was donor of various property to the Abbey of St Mary, York. [Ref: Rosie Bevan 21 Oct 2001 citing The Topographer and Genealogist 1846 p15] note: "is stated" is usually a subtle reference to a difference of opinion amongst scholars... Curt
Regards,
Curt
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| Sources |
- [S1635] Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - goo, Susan Shannon, 24 Jun 1996 (Reliability: 3).
- [S1635] Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - goo, BarBara J. Fricke, 29 Mar 1998 (Reliability: 3).
- [S1631] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th, 118-22 (Reliability: 3).
- [S1631] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th, 246b-25 (Reliability: 3).
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