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601 The following is excerpted (full post is in notes under father) from a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

The only known brother of Gunnor was Arfast/Herfast, of whom we gain what little insight we have from a trial of heretics conducted by Robert II. Arfast testified that he had pretended to join the sect, all the better to denounce them when the time arose. He later donated lands to the monastery of St. Pere, to which he retired. He had at least two sons: Osbern, who was steward to the later Dukes, and was murdered by William de Montgomery while defending the young Duke William; and Ranulf, known from charters. Osbern maried a niece of Richard I (the daughter of his half-brother) and by her was the father of the Conquest baron William Fitz Osbern.

Note: William de Montgomery was great grandson of Senfria "not' de Crepon. 
De Crepon, Herfast (Arfastus) (I70278)
 
602 The following is Excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Sep 2002, by John Ravilious:

From: John Ravilious (Therav3@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Reginald de St. Valery and His Descendants
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-30 09:39:35 PST
Monday, 30 September, 2002

He [Reynold de St. Valery] died probably in 1166-7 and was succeeded by his eldest son Bernard, who in 1166-7 paid a fine for livery of Beckley and Horton. He seems to have died shortly after 1191, and was succeeded by his second son Thomas, who paid a relief in 1191--2. 
De St. Valery, Bernard IV (I70781)
 
603 The following is Excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Sep 2002, by John Ravilious:

From: John Ravilious (Therav3@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Reginald de St. Valery and His Descendants
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-30 09:39:35 PST
Monday, 30 September, 2002

Reynold of St. Valery supported Empress Maud against King Stephen in the civil wars, and in 1158 went on crusade. He died probably in 1166-7 and was succeeded by his eldest son Bernard, who in 1166-7 paid a fine for livery of Beckley and Horton. 
De St. Valery, Reginald (Rainald) II (I70780)
 
604 The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 31 Aug 2002, by Rosie Bevan:

From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Ancestry of Margery de Stuteville, wife of Sir Richard Foliot
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-08-31 19:16:20 PST

2. ROBERT II de Stuteville. Not believed to have held lands in England. A supporter of Robert Curthose with his father, he was captured at St.Pierre-sur-Dive shortly before the battle of Tinchebrai. He was married to Erneburga whose parentage is unknown.

[And on the identification of Erneburga as daughter of Hugh FizBaldric, in a post 9 Sep 2002:]]

Moriarty assumed Ernneburga was fitzBaldric's daughter because around 1087 some of Hugh FitzBaldric's lands found their way into Stuteville hands. Moriarty appears unaware that they had been confiscated and there is no evidence to support the assumption that Erneburga was Hugh's daughter. Other major landholders such as the Brus family received portions of fitz Baldric lands too. Hugh's known sons-in-law included Walter de Rivere and Guy de Craon. [K-R Domesday People, 267-268].

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Robert de Estoteville acquired a great inheritance with his wife, Eneburga, daughter and heir of Hugh, son of Baldrick, a great Saxon thane, and among other lands, had the lordship of Schypwyc, or Skipwic. He left three sons, Robert, Osmund, and Patrick. [John Burke & John Bernard Burke, Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England, Ireland, and Scotland, Second Edition, Scott, Webster, & Geary, London, 1841, p. 486, Skipwith, of Newbold Hall]

Note: The above source has Patrick de Skipwith descending from this Robert. Burke's Peerage indicates that Patrick was a younger son of this Robert's son (also Robert).

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, in a post-em wrote:

FWIW, Vernon James Watney in "The Wallop Family, and their Ancestry", 1928 (LDS Film 1696491), p935 states he was "living 1138". Unfortunately this was in an early stage of my research when I did not record footnotes to know on what basis Watney derived the statement. I say FWIW, because Watney is like Burke's: caveat emptor.

Research note: Turton gives the mother of Robert De STUTEVILLE, Baron of Cottingham & John De STUTEVILLE as Blanche de RIEUX dau of Quesnoc de RIEUX (again: caveat emptor).

Regardez vous,

Curt. 
D'estouteville, Robert II (I70244)
 
605 The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 31 Aug 2002, by Rosie Bevan:

From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Ancestry of Margery de Stuteville, wife of Sir Richard Foliot
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-08-31 19:16:20 PST

3. ROBERT III de Stuteville of Cottingham, Kettleby Thorpe, Yorks. and Bigby, Lincs. In 1138 he fought at the Battle of the Standard. Instigated claims to recover property confiscated from his grandfather in 1147 and was granted 10 knights' fees by Nigel de Mowbray which included the manor of Kirkby Moorside and land in Warwickshire shortly after 1154. Supervisor of the works of Bamburgh castle in 1166 and sheriff of Yorkshire from Easter 1170 to Michaelmas 1175. Benefactor to the abbeys of St Mary's York, Byland, Rievaulx and Meaux and the priory of Durham. A charter of confirmation to Rievaulx abbey c.1160-1183 for the health of his soul and the souls of Robert de Stuteville his grandfather, Robert his father, Erneburga his mother and Helewise his wife, and with the consent of his son William, presents the Stuteville family over four generations. ["Robertus de Stutevilla.sciatis me dedissee et confirmasse Deo et Ecclesiae S. Mariae Rievallis, pro salute animae meae, et Roberti de Stutevilla, avi mei, et Roberti, patris m mei, et Erneburge, matris meae, et Helewisae uxoris meae, . in perpetuam elemosinam, concessu Willelmi filii mei, et aliorum filiorum meorum, totam terram de Houetona." J.C.Atkinson (ed.), 'Rievaulx Cartulary', p.80]. He married, before 1145, Helewise whose parentage is not known and they founded Keldholm priory, a Benedictine nunnery. As 'domina Helewis uxor Roberti de Stuteuilla' with Osmund 'filius ejus' she witnessed a charter of William de Vescy to the brethren of Farne Island in about 1183. Robert had an interest in Cowesby as shown by a charter of notification dated around 1164-74, by Roger archbishop of York of the settlement of the controversy between Hugh bishop of Durham and Robert de Stuteville relating to the chapel of Cowesby. The dispute continued, however, after his death under the aegis of his son Osmund. Robert died in 1183.

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From Robert were descended the territorial lords of Cottingham, whose male line terminated in the 17th of Henry III [1233]. [John Burke & John Bernard Burke, Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England, Ireland, and Scotland, Second Edition, Scott, Webster, & Geary, London, 1841, p. 486, Skipwith, of Newbold Hall]

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The family of Skipwith, originally written Schypwyc, denominated from a town and lordship so called in the East Riding of York, descends from Robert de Estoteville, Baron of Cottingham, in the time of the Conqueror, of whom and his descendants, the feudal lords of Cottingham, Dugdale treats at great length in the Baronage. [John Burke & John Bernard Burke, Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England, Ireland, and Scotland, Second Edition, Scott, Webster, & Geary, London, 1841, p. 486, Skipwith, of Newbold Hall]

Note: The above source has Patrick de Skipwith descending from Robert's father (also Robert). Burke's Peerage indicates that Patrick was a younger son of this Robert. 
Stuteville, Sir Robert III (I70327)
 
606 The following is from "Scotland and her Tartans" by Alexander Fulton.

The first known Fraser in Scotland was Simon Fraser, who in about 1160 donated the Church of Keith to Kelso Abbey. The name came from the lordship of LaFraseliere in Anjou, and a descendant of Simon Fraser, Sir Gilbert Fraser, established the main line of the family in about 1250 at Touch-Fraser, Stirlingshire.

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Fraser, N. N. (Simon) (I71303)
 
607 The following post-em from Mike Lysell, mlysell@comcast.net, plus my reply explains my setting Derbforgaill's death date at "bef 1259".

Jim- based on their dates od death, it appears that Tairdelbach is Derbforgaill's 3rd husband. Since he married a second time before 1059., shouldn't her DOD be "abt 1058" and not 1098? Any thoughts on this?

Mike Lysell

- - - - and my reply - - - -

Mike,

I expect that you are probably right. Although I find lots of multiple marriages between various people (with no apparent death or divorces in between) in the Welsh, Irish, and Viking lines. So I think they "fooled around" a lot and took their wedding vows somewhat lightly. And so-called "bastards" didn't seem to be disadvantaged as much as in the French/Norman/English society.

I have put "bef 1059" as her preferred death date, leaving the 1098 as an alternative. I have also included your post-em as a reason for doing so. . . .

Jim Weber 
Of Ossory, Derbforgaill (I70621)
 
608 The following was excerpted from a post to SGM, 3 Jan 1999, by Leo van de Pas:

Philippe I, King of France

At age twenty, Philippe I, King of France, married Bertha of Holland, the step-daughter of his first cousin. This marriage had been arranged to seal the reconciliation between the king and his first cousin, the Count of Flanders. However, it took Bertha about six years before she produced a daughter, Constance, which was not the hoped-for heir. Arnoul, a holy hermit of Saint-Medard in Soissons who was always consulted on family problems, prayed to heaven; however, it still took another three years before the heir, the future King Louis VI, was born. He was followed by three more sons.

Twenty years after the marriage, Philippe imprisoned Bertha in comfort in the chateau at Montreuil-sur-Mer. He then wed the still-married Bertrade de Montfort l'Amauri, wife of the Count of Anjou, and they produced four children. It is lost in time whether she seduced him or he her, but most likely Philippe had an understanding with the Count of Anjou. In any case Bertrade was more than willing as she did not want to be "sent away like a whore," as her husband had done to her predecessors.

Philippe's remarriage caused a sensation but not disapproval. The only one who caused problems was Yves, bishop of Chartres, who had been appointed by Pope Urban II without consultations with Philippe and this had been resented by the latter.

The King had invited all bishops to his second wedding but Yves declined, referring to Philippe as committing bigamy. Although Philippe had married with the blessing of the Archbishop of Reims as well as the Papal legate, Yves wrote to the Pope who then forbade the bishops to crown Bertrade and told Philippe to cease all relations with her or else be excommunicated. Next, Bertha, his first wife, died and Philippe gathered two archbishops and eight bishops in Reims who all confirmed the royal second marriage. The Pope also put pressure on the womanising Count of Anjou who then obediently complained about the king's committing adultery with his wife. In 1096 Philippe pretended to have broken with Bertrade and consequently the excommunication was lifted.

However, when it became obvious in 1099 that Bertrade was still with him, the excommunication was renewed. It took until 1105 before peace was restored and from then on Philippe and Bertrade remained together till Philippe died in 1108.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Philip I (French: Philippe Ier) (May 23, 1052 - July 29, 1108) was King of France.

A member of the Capetian Dynasty, Philippe was born on May 23, 1052, the son of Henri I (1008-1060) and Princess Anne of Kiev (1024 - 1075). His name (derived from the Greek Philippos, "lover of horses") was rather exotic for Western Europe at the time; it was bestowed upon him by his Russian mother. Although he was crowned king at the age of seven, until 1066 his mother acted as Regent, the first queen ever to do so.

Philippe's first marriage was in 1072 to Bertha of Holland (1055-July 30, 1094). Their children were:

Constance (1078 - c. 1125) married to Hugh of Troyes (Hugh I of Champagne) before 1097 and after her divorce to Bohemund I of Antioch in 1106.
King Louis VI of France (December 1, 1081 - August 1, 1137)
Although the marriage produced the necessary heir, Philippe fell in love with Bertrade de Montfort, the wife of Count Fulk IV of Anjou. He repudiated Bertha and married Bertrade on May 15, 1092. In 1094, he was excommunicated by Hugh of Lyon for the first time; after long silence, Pope Urban II of the Roman Catholic Church repeated the excommunication at the council of Clermont in November 1095. Several times the ban was lifted as Philippe promised to to part with Bertrade, but he always returned to her, and after 1104, the ban was not repeated. In France, the king was opposed by Bishop Ivo of Chartres, a famous canonist.

The children of Philippe and Bertrade were:

Philippe, Comte de Mantes (c. 1093 [?] - 1123)
Fleury, seigneur de Nagis (1095 [?] - 1118)
Of France, King Phillippe I (I53520)
 
609 The following was supplied in an e-mail to me by Lora Cline, which seems to have been copied from a Rand Corp. employee's genealogy website:

Les Seigneurs de Bohon
(The Noblemen of Bohun)

The following material is excerpted from Les Seigneurs de Bohon by Jean LeMelletier, Coutances: Arnaud-Bellee, 1978. This was translated from French to English by a friend. The book was found at UCLA's Research Library as CS 439 D416L45 1978.

THE ORIGINS

Following tradition, the Mary family lived in the community of St. Come du Mont (Normandy). There was a Mary Street named after Ralph, first sire de Mary, friend of the sire of Sainte Marie du Mont and the dukes of Denmark in our country. According to legend, Ralph was secretly married to the daughter of the lord of Mont Haguez. They had a son, Richard I de Mary, or Richard the Old, who is attributed with the founding of the churches of Sainte Come du Mont, de Bohon, and de Meautis in 950. Richard de Mary (Mari or Meri) married Billeheude (Billeheust). This information comes from a document concerning the Bohon priory. Billeheude is sometimes considered the daughter of a certain Richard de Billeheust or Richard de Saint Sauveur. In the family we find a Bileud or Bilelde, but at a later date she is considered the daughter of Neel II of Saint Saveur, one of the principal barons who revolted against William the Bastard during his youth. Because of the uncertain relations with the Norsemen who landed at Contentin and their chief, Rollo, there was a strong desire to unite the conquering and native peoples. The Mary family also desired to hold onto their Christian origins and remain loyal to the dukes of Normandy. Richard de Mary had three sons: Richard, Humphrey, and Enjuger. 
De Meri, Richard (I71254)
 
610 The Forest of Brotonne "located in the last loop of the Seine", is south of the Seine in Normandy, which is mostly the Department of Eure, but the Department of Seine-Maritime (anciently named Seine-Inferieure) crosses the Seine to include this land south of the loop. De La Haye, Aubreye (I21410)
 
611 The founder of this family in England was Humphrey de Bohun, kinsman and companion in arms to William the Conqueror, and was generally known as "Humphrey with the Beard." Of this Humphrey little more is ascertained than that he possessed the lordship of Taterford, in Norfolk, and was s. by his son, Humphrey de Bohun. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 57, Bohun, Earls of Hereford, Earls of Essex, Earls of Northampton, and High Constables of England]

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The following was supplied in an e-mail to me by Lora Cline, which seems to have been copied from a Rand Corp. employee's genealogy website:

Les Seigneurs de Bohon
(The Noblemen of Bohun)

The following material is excerpted from Les Seigneurs de Bohon by Jean LeMelletier, Coutances: Arnaud-Bellee, 1978. This was translated from French to English by a friend. The book was found at UCLA's Research Library as CS 439 D416L45 1978.

Humphrey I

(Honfroy, Onfrei, Onfroi, Unfridus, Humfridus)

Humphrey I, also called The Old, was the founder of the house of Bohon. He is mainly known as a companion of William the Conqueror at the conquest of England and as the founder of the Bohon priory. Old English books designate him Humfridus cum Barba or Humphrey with the Beard. His beard distinguished him from other Norman knights of the period because they habitually shaved. Humphrey was the godfather of William and was certainly close to him because we see the names of William, duchess Mathilde, and their children associated with Humphrey's children. The oldest mention of Humphrey that we know of is in William's journals. It confirms a donation made at the abbey of St. Trinite du Mont at Rouen by Gilbert, Osbern's vassal. William's signature is accompanied by that of Humphrey, son of Richard, listed with the rest of William's men. In 1062 we find Humphrey again with William at the Hogue de Biville, along with Roger de Montgomery and William, son of Osbern. At a meal in the middle of the road, William said they should be free like the common people of the neighboring priory of Heauville. In recounting the story, a monk said that a fellow diner criticized William's liberalism. Not taking too kindly to criticism, William threatened to strike him with a shoulder of pork. According to a paper from about 1060, the knight Humphrey, a rich and noble man, granted the priory he founded, St. Georges de Bohon, to the abbey of St. Martin of Marmoutier. Humphrey tells us:

with the inspiration of God and the patronage of lord earl William for the relief of my soul, and those of the late Richard of Mary, my father, and of the late Billeheude, my mother...in the octave of the Pentecost before the venerable father Geoffrey, bishop of Coutances... I protect the abbey of St. Martin, the servants Arnouf, Heribert, and Roger, and the other people whose names are inscribed here.

The authenticity of this act, of which the original documents were unfortunately destroyed, does not seem to bear to be contested.

The latest dates proposed for the founding of the priory come from dates of estate foundings (from Martene and Miss Gantier 1068; Gerville and the Bernard abbey 1092; L. Musset between 1066 & 1087). However, the title of earl was given to William before 1066 and the founding of the priory was earlier. Originally the priory was settled by four secular canons. The act of including the priory with the abbey was precisely to entrust it with the lands of a knight. (A knight cared for and protected his lands and those who lived there from thieves, warring lords, etc.)

In later years St. Martin became very popular. It was at Marmoutier that William himself joined the Battle Abbey, founded to commemorate the Battle of Hastings where it was fought. A document signed by Sir William, duke of the Normands, before 1066 shows that Humphrey de Bohon gave a garden from his fief (holdings) in Puchay to the nuns of St. Amand in Rouen for the repose of his soul and those of his three wives when one of his daughters became religious.

The monastery of St. Leger in Preaux was given the deeds to Barbeville, St. Marie's Church, the town of Carentan, and the neighboring rectory. Later Humphrey bequeathed the monastery a convent that his second daughter entered. Humphrey's sons Robert and Richard agreed with his actions.

By 1066 Humphrey had been married three times, two daughters had entered the convent, and sons Robert and Richard were old enough to assume their inheritance. Humphrey was a senior citizen.

Wace cited among the soldiers of Hastings: E de Bohon the older Humphrey.

Humphrey's name, a bit distorted, is seen on a majority of other lists of William's battle companions. As Wace's poem was written more than a hundred years after the events happened, some feel that Humphrey was not among the people at the Battle of Hastings. Taking into account the type of document (poem), it is very probable that Humphrey did participate in the battle. He was also with several neighbors of Cotentin and probably vassals, whose names were associated with his.

On the Bayeux tapestry, in a meal scene presided over by Bishop Odo, a bearded man is sitting to William's right. It is possible that this is Humphrey de Bohon--with the Beard--who would occupy a place of honor at the table out of respect for his age.

Ten years after Hastings, William was in England, so Queen Mathilda was left in charge of the government in Normandy. We know Humphrey was also in Normandy because of the act of Cherbourg, about 1076. Under the king's orders, he rendered justice with the monks at the Heauville priory against Bertram de Bricquebec, viscount of Cotentin, who had levied unfair taxes on his people.

Humphrey is mentioned in the Domesday Book (a great census taken of all the lands and people in England as ordered by William, between 1080 and 1086) as a champion and defender of the throne, and as lord of Taterford in Norfolk. Much of his wealth is attributed to the goodwill of William and the spoils of the campaigns, which was not a unique situation. However, the possession of large estates and properties in England was not all fun; they were hard to protect from raiders and warring lords. Humphrey probably also benefitted from Normandy's continued growth and profits from his holdings.

Humphrey's signature is on:

A treaty at Bayeaux. The king presided over the treaty between the abbey of Mont St. Michel and William Paynel.

Two documents of Boscherville on 30 January 1080, with the signatures of his son Richard, and William, Mathilda, and their two sons. One is the endowment of the church of St. Georges de Boscherville; the other documents a gift of St. Gervais Church and St. Portais to St. Florent de Saumur with other revenues by William de Briouze.

A document of William the Conqueror at Caen confirming the foundation of the Lessay Abbey on 14 July 1080.
Another document for the foundation of the Montebourg Abbey.

Humphrey's decision to combine the priory with the abbey was contested by Geoffrey (son of Nervee) who reclaimed the priory. The case was settled in favor of Humphrey by a judgment of the king's court on 27 December 1080 at Cherbourg. Among the witnesses were Humphrey de Bohon, his son Richard, and Torchetil de Bohon.

Continually Humphrey added his border lands to his holdings. In answer to his request, he received a formal deed from King William at Bernouville, probably at the end of 1081.

Other religious establishments benifitted from his generosity.

Humphrey died between 1080 and 1093. He had four sons that we know of: Robert, Humphrey, Richard, and Enguerran, and two daughters. Robert died young, before his father. Enguerran became a monk at Marmoutier in the Bohon priory. Richard began another branch, whose descendents include (in France) Enjuger de Bohon and Richard de Bohon, bishop of Coutances, and (in England) the Bohons of Midhurst, Jocelin, bishop of Salisbury, and Reginald and Savary, bishops of Bath. Humphrey became the illustrious ancestor of the earls of Hereford. 
Bohun, Humphrey I (I71256)
 
612 The marriage to William Dishington is not mentioned in Burke's Peerage. Crichton, Elizabeth (I70170)
 
613 The O'Briens, one of the few native Irish families with a peerage, descend in the male line from Brian Boroimhe, Prince of Thomond (North Munster or the north part of southwest Ireland, roughly commensurate with an area centered on modern Co. Clare) and Chief of the Dalgais, who became High King of Ireland 1002 and was killed at the victory over the Danes of Clontarf 23 April 1014. [Burke's' Peerage, p. 1495] Of Ireland, King Brian Borum Na Munster (I70512)
 
614 the other daughter [of James Sandilands & Margaret Kerr] married William Dishington of Ardross and had issue. [Burke's Peerage] Sandilands, N. N. (I70051)
 
615 The Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 88, has Emme's parents as Raoul & Erneburge, whom I have as her grandparents. De Bayeux, Emme (I70195)
 
616 There are two daughters named Agnes. Obviously Agnes could not be married to both William de Braose and Robert de Brus at the same time. Doug Thompson, in a post to SGM, 27 Sep 2002, thought it more likely that she was married to Robert de Brus. Perhaps they were sisters, either named the same (which has happened before), or someone mixed up one of their names? De St. Claire, Agnes (I55105)
 
617 There are two daughters named Agnes. Obviously Agnes could not be married to both William de Braose and Robert de Brus at the same time. Doug Thompson, in a post to SGM, 27 Sep 2002, thought it more likely that she was married to Robert de Brus. Perhaps they were sisters, either named the same (which has happened before), or someone mixed up one of their names? I will represent them as two different people. De St. Clair, Agnes (I70395)
 
618 There may be one more generation between William Murray and William de Moravia, who according to Burke's Peerage was the ancestor of the Moray's/Murray's of Bothwell.

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Moray, William (I71242)
 
619 There seems to be a majority of sources that indicate that she was sister, not daughter of Fulk; and possibly, somehow, a niece of Gilbert Count of Brionne. I will stick with Turton, even though he is somewhat unreliable, because the other pedigrees don't seem very clear (and reliable) to me either.

Following is a post-em from Curt Hofemann giving, conflicting information on Gunnora:

First, it's Aunou, not Anjou . . .

Flwg are my notes:

parents: Gonnor (Gunnor) was the daughter of Baldric the Teuton, and a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p118-120, CP VI p498-503, Wurts p47-70], father: Baudri "the German", father of Nicholas de Bacqueville, Fulk de Aunou, Robert de Courcy, and Gunnor [Ref: TAF 21 Aug 2000 citing: Keats-Rohan "Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private Histories of Public Lives" in *Nottingham Medieval Studies* xli (1997), 18] Gunnora, sister of Fulk de Aunou is not daughter of Osmund, but of Baudri. [Ref: TAF 26 Aug 2000] Fulk d'Aunou had a sister Gunnor [Ref: TAF: 21 Aug 2000]

Research note 1: father Fulk son of Baldric [Ref: Turton]

Research note 2: Gilbert's wife Gonnor (Gunnor) was the daughter of Baldric the Teuton, and a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p118-120, CP VI p498-503, Wurts p47-70]

Research note 3: She (Elisabeth Van Houts) also argues that Robert confused things, that it was Baudri "the German", father of Nicholas de Bacqueville, Fulk de Aunou, Robert de Courcy, and Gunnor wife of Gilbert Crispin, who married the niece of Duchess Gunnor, while it was Nicholas's wife, Gertrude, who was niece of Gilbert of Brionne. [Ref: TAF 21 Aug 2000 citing: Keats-Rohan "Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private Histories of Public Lives" in *Nottingham Medieval Studies* xli (1997), 18] note: this implies the Fulk was Gunnora's brother, not father...Curt

Research note 4: First of all, while there is extensive debate, it is not generally fealt (sic) that Fulk d'Aunou, son of Baudri the German is the same as Fulk "de Alneio", son of Osmund of Centemvilliers. (For example, Wace appears to distinguish the two toponyms.) Thus Gunnora, sister of Fulk de Aunou is not daughter of Osmund, but of Baudri. Likewise Gunnora de Aunou married, not Gilbert de Brionne, but Gilbert Crispin. Gilbert de Brionne comes into play as supposed uncle of Baudri's wife, although this seems chronologically impossible... [Ref: TAF 26 Aug 2000]

Research note 5: ...based on the fact that Fulk d'Aunou had a sister Gunnor, Keats-Rohan has suggested that these two somehow got switched, and that it was Baldric who married the Gunnorid, while Nicholas married Gilbert's niece. This works better chronologically, since Gilbert de Brionne was two generations after Gunnor, his niece three and Nicholas four, while the wife of Nicholas would be just one, or perhaps two generation removed from Gunnor. Reversing them as Keats-Rohan suggests makes the wife four, and the husband three or four (because some of the nieces appear to have been grandnieces). [Ref: TAF: 21 Aug 2000]

Regards,
Curt 
Aunou, Gunnora D' (I70256)
 
620 There seems to be a serious error in line 246b-24 of Ancestral Roots, which has this Adeliza marrying Robert de Condet d. 1141, after her marriage to Gilbert Fitz Richard. This does not agree with any other lines, which have Robert de Condet's wife as Adeliza dau. of Ranulph le Meschin, Earl of Chester. The error in generation 24 is shown in the next generation of this line (246b-25) which has Adeliza dau. of Ranulph marrying first Richard Fitz Gilbert and then Robert de Condet. I believe this (generation 25) is correct. De Clermont, Adeliza (I52585)
 
621 This generation is indicated as possible/probable by Turton, in The Plantagenet Ancestry, but is not named. Mercia, Edulph Of (I71099)
 
622 This is the famous Lady Godiva. She complained constantly to her husband that the taxes were too high on the townspeople of Coventry. He finally said that he would reduce the taxes if she would ride nude through the marketplace on market day. She arranged for all of the men to remain inside and covered her entire body, except her legs, with her hair. Supposedly one person named Tom did not remain inside during her ride and became known as "Peeping Tom". Leofric eliminated all taxes, except for one on horses. During Edward I's reign, a check was made and the only tax in Coventry was one on horses. Since 1678 the town of Coventry still celebrates the ride during its annual fair.

Concerning her dates of birth and death. I originally had 980-1067, but this was not in agreement with Ancestral Roots line 176a-2, which has her birth at c1010 and her marriage at c1030. Nor was it consistant with the Encyclopedia Britannica which had Godiva fl. 1040-1080. However the 980 birth date was consistant with her gr grandaughter Nesta b. c1055/7, dau of Edith, dau of Aelfgar, son of Godiva. With some serious scrunching of dates I could conceive of:

Godiva b. 1010 (originally 980)
Aelfgar b. 1025 (originally 1002)
Edith b. 1041 (originally 1030)
Nesta b. 1057

with two other daughters of Leofric born to a "first wife or mistress". It is physically possible for 3 generations in a row born at the 15/16th year of their parents life (however unlikely), so that is what I have done.

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yaoo.com, e-mailed:

Hi Jim,
You may want to adjust the date of death [of Godiva, which at the time was 10 Sep 1067]]
Warwickshire - the Domesday Book in 1086

Perhaps one of the most famous early personalities of the period was Lady Godiva (Godwa or Godgifu) who allegedly rode naked the streets of Coventry in Warwickshire as a protest against her husband's high taxes on the people of the city. This husband, Earl Leofric, a Saxon Earl of Mercia, died an old man in 1057, nine years before the Norman Conquest. They seemingly had issue, at least one daughter, who married into the Malet family. 29 years after her husband's death, Lady (Countess) Godiva held many estates in Warwickshire, including Coventry, as revealed by the Domesday Book in 1086. Chronologically, either Leofric had married a child bride, or Lady Godivawas a very old woman at the time of the Domesday Survey in 1086. The former is the most likely. The lordships bestowed on Lady Godiva in Warwickshire by William the Conqueror in 1066 were considerable, probably the result of an alliance struck either with Leofric or Lady Godiva before the Conquest. Since, Lady Godiva was a wealthy woman in 1057, and still wealthy after the Conquest, it is not likely she displayed herself in protest after that date, since she would have been protesting her own taxation. She apparently inherited her lands and titles in 1057. Therefore, the event in question probably took place, if at all, several years before 1057, when, young and innocent, the impatient and passionate Lady Godiva, appalled by her aging husband's despotic ways, leapt on her nag and took to the streets of Coventry in all her naked glory, perhaps too young to realize that within a few short years she would be in full control of all the taxation of her husband's considerable holdings at the time of his death, holdings which she carried through to at least 1086. [Ref: ]

Also the Encyclop 
Of Coventry, Lady Godiva (I70232)
 
623 This person is not mentioned in Burke's Peerage, which has Gillemichael a son of "Edelrad, apparently Earl of Fife, who flourished in the early 12th century and was also Abbot of Dunkeld; possibly the same person as Eth who fathered Gillemichael". Heth Aethelred is probably the Edelrad and Eth mentioned by Burke's Peerage. However several internet lines have Duffagan or Duff between Eth and Gillemichael and would explain the "MacDuff" name of subsequent generations.

Justin Swanstrom writes that "Several of Moncrieffe's books on Scottish clans call him Duff MacEth, Earl of Fife." Sounds good to me. 
Of Fife, Earl Duff Maceth (I70498)
 
624 Thomas de Greystoke obtained a royal charter, 29th Henry III [1245], to hold a weekly market and yearly fair. This Thomas m. Christian, dau. of Roger de Viteripont, the first of that name of Appleby Castle, and was s. by his son, Robert de Greystoke. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd, London, 1883, p. 254, Greystock, Barons Greystock] Greystoke, Thomas Fitzwilliam De , Sir (I70374)
 
625 Thomas Randolph, Chamberlain of Scotland. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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Thomas RANDOLPH of Strathdon, sometime Chamberlain of Scotland, by (-----), sister of ROBERT I [SCT], and daughter of Robert (BRUCE or BRUS), afterwards EARL OF CARRICK. [Complete Peerage] 
Randolph, Sir Thomas (I70132)
 
626 Thor; probably identical with the nobleman Thor Sweyn's Son (possibly of Northumbrian origin) who witnessed charters of David I 1127-1150 and was overlord of the great mountainous district of Crawford in Clydesdale; granted the church fo Tranent to the monks of Holyrood. [Burke's Peerage]

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Note: I believe that Burke's would have Thor living through 1150, but in order to accomodate information from several websites on the Crawfords, I have interpreted the above to be through 1127, with him born 1067 or earlier, according to the following information from a Crawford family website, http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bianco/Resources/Crawford.html:

Origin of the Crawfurds

This surname is known to be local, and assumed from the barony of Craufurd, or Craufuirde, (supposed to be of Celtic etymology, and meaning Cattle-passage,) in the upper ward of Clydesdale. But the origin of the family, instead of being native to Scotland, as was generally thought, is now found to be of Danish extraction, or rather from those Anglo-Danes, who, for a long period previous to the Normans conquest possessed that part of England from the river Humber northwards, known in those early times by the name of Northumberland, - a territory of much greater extent, than the modern county of that name, as it included, also, the shires of Durham and of York.

According to that accurate genealogist, George Crawfurd, author of the Scottish Peerage, and the History of Renfrewshire, and of the House of Stewart, both published more than 100 years ago, the Craufurds are derived from Thor-Longus, an Anglo-Danish chief, who, being expelled from Northumberland by William the Conqueror, found an asylum in Scotland, and in particular had a grant of land in the Merse, from Edgar, King of Scots, whose reign is included betwixt the year 1097 and the 8th Jan. 1106-7.

This appears from Crawfurd's M.S. history of the Craufurds, in the Advocates Library, Edinburgh, and is corroborated by Anderson, in his Diplomata, compiled at the desire of the Scots Parliament, who has this notice of Thor-Longus. "Hic vir nobilis, et Anglus genere, faisse, videtur ac forte idem qui Thor in libro, vulgo dicto, Doomsday Book, saepius memoratius, amplissimis suis praediis in borealibus Angliae partibus sitis a Gullielmo Conquisitore erat exutus."

At what particular time his expulsion took place, does not precisely appear; but it seems probable, that it must have been betwixt the year 1069 and 1074, when, from the unsubmissive spirit of the Northumbrians, they brought down on their own heads the most direful wrath of the conqueror, who was so provoked with them for joining their original countrymen, the Danes, who had at that time invaded England, (and whom, for all his prowess, he was fain to buy off,) that "he swore, by the splendour of God, that he would not leave a soul alive. -And so soon as he found it in his power (the foreigners being now gone,) to be avenged of them, he ravaged their country in so merciless a manner, that for 60 miles together, he did not leave a single house standing." See Rapin, V.i.p.172.

All this took place betwixt the years as above stated; and as they were quite subdued by the last of these dates (1074), and as there appears to have been no more exterminating spoliation of this part of the country afterwards, during William's reign, it seems to be a fair conclusion, that this Anglo-Danish chief had found it necessary to fly, and make his escape to Scotland, during the interim mentioned. The era of the Doomsday Book itself (1079,) in which Thor is mentioned to have been, before that time, deprived of his possessions, should be a concluding evidence of the fact.

That he obtained lands in Scotland during the reign of King Edgar, appears distinctly from the following writs copied from the M. S. of Crawfurd, and which also are to be found in the archives of the cathedral of Durham.

CHARTA THORLONGI

Omnibus sanctae matris Ecclesiae filiis Thor-Longus in Domino salutem. Sciatis quod Edgarus Dominus meus, Rex Scottorum dedit mihi AEdnaham desertam, quam ego, suo auxilio et mea propria pecunia, inhabitavi, et ecclesiam in honorem sancti Cuthberti fabricavi, quam ecclesiam cum una earrucata terrae, Deo et sancto Cuthberto et monachis ejus in perpetuum possidendam dedi; hanc igitur donationem feci pro anima domini mer Regis Edgari et pro animabus patris et matris illius et pro redemptione Lefwini patris mei dilectissimi, et pro meimet ipsius tam corporis quam animae salute, et siquis hanc meam donationem sancto predicto et monachis sibi servientibus aliqua vi vel ingenio auferre presumserit, auferat ab eo Deus omnipotens vitam Rengi celestis, et cum diabolo et angelis ejus poenas sustineat eternas. Amen.

EJUSDEM

Domino suo charissimo David Comiti, Thor. omnibusque suis salutem, scias domine mi, quod Edgarus Rex frater vester dedit mihi Ednaham desertam quam ego suo auxilio et mea pecunia inhavitavi, et ecclesiam a fundamentis fabric??? quam frater vester Rex in honorem sancti Cuthberti fecit, dedicavit, et uno carrucata terrae cam dotavit. Hanc eandem ecclesiam pro anima ejusdem domini mei Regis Edgari et patris et matris vestri et pro salute vostra et Regis Alexandri et Mathildis Reginae, sancto predicto et monachis ejus dedi, unde vos precor sicut dominum meum charissimum, ut pro animabus parentum vestrorum et pro salute vivorum hanc donationem sancto Cuthberto, et monachi sibi in perpetuam servituris concedatis.

This historiam deduces the Crawfurds from the above Thorlongus in the following order of succession.

1. Thorlongus, who has charters, as above, in the reign of King Edgar, (inter 1097 et 1107), and whose seal in the first is quite entire, (see a fac-simile of it in the annexed genealogical tree,) had two sons; 1. Swame; 2. William, whose name appears in a charter by William de vetere-ponte, in the archives of Durham.
2. Swane, son of Thorlongus, whose name appears in several charters of the same age, as in one by King Edgar, to the monastery of Coldingham, of the land of Swinton, also in one in the reign of David I. as possessing the Fishery at Fiswick near Berwick; and others in the archives.

Note: The above website had a descent from Sweyn/Swane that did not agree with other sources, so I used the descent from another Crawford family website, www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/cc4rz/crawford01.htm, for the descent from Swane. 
Of Crawford, Thor (Thorlongus) Sweynsson (I70213)
 
627 Trelasthandler, assessor, dansk generalkrigskommiss?r 1826 med rang nr 5 i 2. kl. og ervervet dansk adelskap Mathiesen, Haagen (I449625)
 
628 Trim Castle:

As the borough of Trim developed to the northwest of the castle, the barbican gate provided a new entrance from the south. In 1224, Walter de Lacy, besieged the castle, reclaiming it from his rebellious kinsmen. As a result, the northern defences and the Trim Gate required major repairs. When Walter died in 1241 the estates passed to his granddaughter, Maud who married Geoffrey de Geneville in 1254--the beginning of a period of prosperity for Trim. [Trim Castle Visitors Guide, Duchas--The Heritage Service of Ireland] 
De Lacy, Walter (I22722)
 
629 Tudur Trefor; born c900; married Angharad, daughter of Hywell "Ddu" ("The Good"), King of Wales. [Burke's Peerage] Of Hereford, Lord Tewdwr Ap Ynyr (I71146)
 
630 Turchetil, Sire de Harcourt, Normandy; fl. 1024; presumably kin of [English Harcourt descendants]. [Burke's peerage]

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, wrote in a post-em:

Turchetil de HARCOURT, Seigneur de Turqueville [Ref: Turton (prob using Burke's)]

Turketil de TURQUEVILLE [Ref: Watney p99]

Turquetil Seigneur de TURQUETIL et de TANQUERAYE. His name has been spelt Turchil, Turketil, Turkel, Turkeul, Turquetal, Torkel, Torketil, Torchetil, Thorkil, Thorkel, Thurkild, Turquetil, Thorchetil, etc. It is a Danish name meaning Thor's Kettle or Cauldron. Turchetil de Neufmarche was his namesake. Turchetil III Baron De Tourville, Seigneur de Tourville and de Tanqueray.

Turquetil, seigneur de Turqueville, and de Tanqueraye, about 1001, appears in several charters concerning the abbeys of Fecamp and Bernay. He was lord of Neufmarche-en-Lions, governor of the boy duke, William... Turquetil was the second son of Torf, the son of Bernard the Dane... Turquetil, Turqueville or Tanqueraye, de Neufmarche, second son. died about 1036. He married Anceline, sister of Turstain of Montfort-sur-Risle. [Ref: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/james/f030.htm#I1402X2]

Research note: can Turqueville also be Torville? Watney lists his father as Torf "the Rich" de HARCOURT, Seigneur de Torville & states he built the castle of Torville in 955. McBride shows Tourville. Is this French vs English for the same placename?

death: was treacherously assassinated between 1035 and 1040 by hirelings of Raoul de Gace... Murdered along with three other governor's of the young William future King of England. [Ref: McBride] (I show 1027, unfortunately I didn't identify the source, but it was apparently more solid than McBride or I would have replaced it as per McBride).

Regards,
Curt

Note: I find both a Turlaville & a Turqeville near Cherbourg, Normandy. I don't know whether the names are anglicized or not. 
De Harcourt, Seigneur Turchetil (I70724)
 
631 Turlogh; High King of Ireland; d 1086. [Burke's Peerage]

Note: Stewart Baldwin names him Tadg Ua Briain, King of Munster, d. 1086. I believe that he must be the same person (because of the death date). I also note that Stewart's name is similar to the name of his father. 
Of Ireland, King Tairrdelbach O'briaim (I70620)
 
632 Turton & Marie-Claire Bauche (in her SGM posting) place 2 Robert Bigods in a row. Obviously there could, I think, be just one Robert, especially since these two Roberts both die in the same year. Bigod, Robert (I54539)
 
633 Turton has Beatrice as daughter of Payn de Beauchamp, who was son of Hugh. But Mardi Carter has her as sister of Payn, and Kay Allen statest that Payn was son of Robert, who was son of Hugh. Therefore Beatrice is still granddaughter of Hugh, but now she is daughter of Robert and sister of Payn. De Beauchamp, Beatrice (I56630)
 
634 Turton has Josceline as daughter of Tourade de Pont-Audemer, by Eva/Dulcine de Crepon, but Todd A. Farmerie & Alan B. Wilson, citing later work, state that she was daughter of Senfrie "not" de Crepon by a Forester of St. Vaast. De St. Vaast D'equiqueville, Joscelina (I70597)
 
635 Turton has Tourade m. to Eva (Dulceline) de Crepon, but Todd A. Farmerie states that her name was Duvelina. De Pont Audemer, Turulf (I70795)
 
636 Turton names her "Rose de Clare (Monmouth)", daughter of Gilbert de Clare, and states her 2nd marriage was to Hugh (as his 1st). I am going with AR. De Monmouth, Rohese (I55267)
 
637 Udard Fraser; living second half of 12th century; married a sister of Oliver Fraser of Oliver Castle, Peeblesshire, on the River Tweed, son of Kylvert Fraser and was probably father of. [Burke's Peerage] Fraser, Udard (I71296)
 
638 Undoubtedly Elizabeth is from a place called Sours. The only place I find is a Chateau Sours, a winery in Bordeaux. I have another person Humberge de Sours (wife of Eberhard de Breteuil), born about the same time. They could be sisters. De Sours, Elizabeth (I70985)
 
639 Upon the decease of William de Mandeville, 3rd Earl of Essex, much dispute arose regarding the inheritance: Beatrix, his aunt and heir, in the first place, preferring her claim, sent Geoffrey de Say, her younger son, to transact the business for the livery thereof, but Geoffrey FitzPiers insisted upon the right of Beatrix, his wife. Nevertheless, Geoffrey de Say, in consideration of 7,000 marks promised to be paid on a certain day, obtained an instrument in right of his mother, under the king's seal, for the whole of the barony, but the said Geoffrey de Say, making default of payment, this Geoffrey FitzPiers, being a man of great wealth and reputation, made representation that the barony was the right of his wife and, promising to pay the money, obtained livery thereof and procured the king's confirmation of his title. One of the earliest acts of this feudal lord was to dispossess the monks of Walden of certain lands which they had derived from his predecessors, a proceeding followed by a long controversy, which, after being referred to the Pope and the King, was finally compromised. Upon the removal of Hubert, Archbishop of Canterbury, from the office of Justice of England by Richard I, this Geoffrey was appointed to succeed him, and at the coronation of King John, 26 June, 1199, he was girt with the sword as Earl of Essex, and then served at the king's table. Being nominated patron of the monastery at Walden, he appears soon after to have been received with great ceremony by the monks and perfectly reconciled to those holy fathers. In the 7th King John, he had a grant of the castle and honour of Berkhamstead, with the knights' fees thereunto belonging to hold to him and the heirs of his body, by Aveline, his 2nd wife. His lordship m. 1st, Beatrix de Say, by whom he had issue, Geoffrey, William, Henry, all of whom assumed the name of Mandeville, and Maud, m. to Robert de Bohun. He m. 2ndly, Aveline ---, and had an only son, John FitzPiers, Lord of Berkhamstead. His lordship, whom Matthew Paris characterizes as "ruling the reins of government so that after his death the realm was like a ship in a tempest without a pilot," d. 2 October, 1213, and was s. by his eldest son, Geoffrey de Mandeville. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 353, Mandeville, Earls of Essex]

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GEOFFREY FITZ PETER (d. 1213), earl of Essex and chief justiciar of England, was a sheriff, a justice itinerant and a justice of the forest under Henry II. During Richard's absence on crusade he was one of the five justices of the king's court who stood next in authority to the regent, Longchamp. In 1190 Fitz Peter succeeded to the earldom of Essex, in the right of his wife, who was descended from the famous Geoffrey de Mandeville. In attempting to asset his hereditary rights over Walden priory Fitz Peter came into conflict with Longchamp, and revenged himself by joining in the baronial agitation through which the regent was expelled from his office. Though refusing to give him formal investiture of the Essex earldom, Richard appointed him justiciar in succession to Hubert Walter (1198). Fitz Peter continued Walter's policy of encouraging foreign trade and the development of the towns; many of the latter received, during his administration, charters of self-government. He was continued in his office by John, who found him an able instrument of extortion. He profited to no small extent by the spoliation of church lands in the period of the interdict. But he was not altogether trusted by the king. The contemporary "Historie des ducs" described Fitz Peter as living in constant dread of disgrace and confiscation. In the last years of his life he endeavoured to act as a mediator between the king and the opposition. It was by his mouth that the king promised to the nation the laws of Henry I. (at the council of St. Albans, Aug. 4, 1213). But Fitz Peter died a few weeks later (Oct. 2). Fitz Peter was neither a far-sighted nor a disinterested statesman; but he was the ablest pupil of Hubert Walter, and maintained the traditions of the great bureaucracy which the first and second Henries had founded. 
Of Essex, Earl Geoffrey Fitzpiers (I70858)
 
640 Vassel of Bishop Utrecht Wassenberg, Gerard II Count Von (I70945)
 
641 Walter de Burgh, b. c 12 July 1271, Earl of Ulster, son of Richard de Burgh, Justice, and Egidith de Lacy. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: I interpret "b. c 12 July 1271" to be "d.".

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EARLDOM OF ULSTER

II. 1. WALTER DE BURGH, 2nd son of Richard DE BURGH, LORD OF CONNAUGHT, by Jill (Egidia), daughter of Walter DE LACY, LORD OF MEATH, was born circa 1230. Having succeeded his elder brother Richard in 1248, he was placed in control of his brother's lands in May 1250, although possibly still a minor. Throughout his life he was continually involved in disputes with the native Irish in Connaught, whose King, Fedhlim O'Conor, lodged complaints against him in 1261. He was one of a group of Irish tenants called to England in May 1262 to advise the King about Irish affairs; and in July 1263 he was with Prince Edward at Bristol. In 1264 he exchanged the manor of Kilsheelan and other Munster lands with the Prince for the lands of Ulster; and about the same time he was created EARL OF ULSTER. During the civil war, 1264-65, Walter remained faithful to the Crown. He was in conflict with the FitzGeralds in 1264; and in 1265 he aided Aedh Buidhe O'Neill against O'Donnell and captured Murchadh Mac Sweeny. In 1270 a general war broke out between Walter and the O'Conors of Connaught, during which he was severely defeated but slew Turlough O'Brien. At the time of his death he was bailiff of Twiscard. His actions against the clergy, whom he tried in lay courts and whose lands he despoiled, caused many complaints.

He married, about 1257, Aveline, sister and (in her issue) coheir of Richard FITZJOHN [LORD FITZJOHNI, 3rd daughter of John FITZGEOFFREY, Lord of Shere and Shalford, Surrey, sometime Justiciar of Ireland, by Isabel, daughter of Hugh (LE BIGOD), EARL OF NORFOLK. He died 28 July 1271 in Galway Castle, after a week's illness, and was buried in the monastery at Athassel, on the Suir, co. Tipperary. His widow died circa 20 May 1274 and was buried in Dunmow Priory. [Complete Peerage XII/2:171-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 
De Burgh, Earl Walter (I55335)
 
642 Walter de Gaunt, d. 1139, held barony of Folkingham, co. Lincoln, a commander in the battle of the Standard 1138, founder of Bridlington Priory, co. York before 1113-4; m. by 1120 Maud (or Matilda) of Brittany, daughter of Stephen I, Count of Brittany. [Ancestral Roots]

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Sir Walter de Lindissi or Lind(e)say (almost certainly 3rd son of Gilbert de Ghent) probably accompanied David, Earl of Huntingdon, subsequently King David I, in his anglicising of the Lowlands in the early 12th century; he was witness 1116 to an inquisition concerning the see of Glasgow. [Burke's Peerage]

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Note: It is not obvious from the descriptions, but apparently Walter de Gaunt/Gant of Folkingham & Walter de Lindesay, whose son William de Lindsay of Fordington, Lincs. founded the Lindsay line of Scotland, are one and the same person. At least they are both named Walter and sons of Gilbert de Gant/Ghent. I presume, given Walter's rather late marriage to Maud of Brittany, that he either had a 1st wife or a mistress who was mother of William de Lindsay. 
Lindsay, Sir Walter (I70192)
 
643 Walter de Lind(e)say, sat in Parliament 1145, a Justiciar of Scotland, witness to charters of King Malcolm. [Burke's Peerage] Lindsay, Sir Walter (I70205)
 
644 Walter FitzAlan; made hereditary Great Steward of Scotland by David I, founder of Paisley Priory c 1163; lay brother of Benedictine Order; repelled an invasion of Renfrewshire by the Islesmen 1164; married Eschyne de Molle (widow of Robert de Croc), probably daughter of Thomas of the Lundins and sister of Malcolm, 1st hereditary Doorward of Scotland, and died 1177. [Burke's Peerage]

Notes for Walter Fitz Alan:

Dapifer, 1st High Steward of Scotland. Walter accompanied King David I to Scotland and was granted the hereditary office, the greatest under the Scottish Crown, of High or Great Steward of Scotland. With it came vast estates. About 1163 he founded the Paisley Priory for Cluniac monks and was made a lay brother of the Benedictine Order. In 1164 he repelled the invasion into Renfrewshire by the Islesmen, defeating Somerled of the Isles.

Often identified as the son of Alan Fitz Flaad, but likely the son of Adlina, Alan's daughter, and Alan of Lochaber. By virtue of his Lochaber heritage and responsibilities, Walter was summoned to Scotland by David I prior to 1138, and his task was to guard the western coast (from Loch Linnhe to the Firth of Clyde) against Norse invasion. 
Fitzalan, Walter (I70433)
 
645 Walter Giffard, d. 1084, Lord of Longueville, a companion of William I at Battle of Hastings, 1066, son of Osbern de Bolbec, seigneur of Longueville-sur-Scie in Normandy 1028-1035, and Duvelina, sister of the Duchess Gunnora; m. Agnes, daughter of Girard Flatel. [Ancestral Roots]

Notes for Walter Gifford:

He was the first Earl of Buckingham.

WALTER GIFFARD

The Conqueror and His Companions

by J.R. Planch 
Giffard, Walter I Lord Of Longueville (I52581)
 
646 WALTER OF SALISBURY, styled also Walter FitzEdward and Walter the Sheriff, son and heir, was sheriff of Wilts under Henry I; but lost the office for a time in that reign. In 1130 he was acquitted of  De Salisbury, Walter (I70927)
 
647 Walter Stewart (first to assume the surname), 3rd Great Steward of Scotland; raised Paisely Priory to rank of Abbey c 1219; Justiciar of Scotland north of Forth 1230; married Beatrix, daughter of Gilchrist, 3rd Earl of Angus, and died 1241. [Burke's Peerage]

Notes for Walter Stewart:

3rd High Steward of Scotland - the first to assume the name of Stewart as his family name.

About 1219 he raised the Paisley Priory to the rank of an Abbacy and from 1230, was Justicular of Scotland north of Perth.

Third hereditary high steward of Scotland, he was the first to assume the surname. He was the son of Alan, who died in 1204, son of Walter, who died in 1177, first high steward. This Walter, known as Walter Fitzalan, went to Scotland as one of the military aides of King David I: he was the second son of Alan Fitzflaad, a Norman chieftain who came into England with William, the conqueror, in 1066 and was given land in Shropshire. Walter died in 1246, and was succeeded by his eldest son, Alexander. 
Stewart, Walter (I69959)
 
648 Walter Stewart, 5th Earl of Menteith, so invested in right of his wife c 1260; called Ballach or Bailloch ("Freckled"); allegedly also accompanied St Louis 1248; Sheriff of Ayrshire 1264 and Dunbartonshire 1289; married Mary, Countess of Menteith in her own right, younger daughter and coheir of Maurice, 3rd Earl of Menteith, and died by 28 April 1296. [Burke's Peerage] Stewart, Sir Walter "Ballioch" (I70002)
 
649 Walter Stewart, 6th Great Steward of Scotland; born 1292; Regent of Scotland during Robert I (The Bruce)'s absence in Ireland 1316, defended Berwick against an English army, made a raid with Douglas that nearly kidnapped Edward II from Yorkshire 1322; married 1st 1315 Marjorie, Lady of Scotland (died 1316), daughter of Robert I (The Bruce), and had issue; married 2nd Isabel, daughter of Sir John Graham of Abercorn, and died 9 April 1327. [Burke's Peerage]
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Walter Stewart, b. 1292, d. 9 Apr 1326; m. (1) Marjory Bruce, by whom Robert I, King of Scots; m. (2) Isabel Graham, sister of Sir John Graham of Abercorn. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: I think MCS means Robert II, King of Scots as their child, of course she was daughter of Robert I.

Walter Stewart, b. 1292, d. 9 Apr 1327 (buried at Paisley, Scotland), High Steward of Scotland, son of James Stewart (d. 16 July 1309) and Egidia de Burgh. [Magna Charta Sureties] 
Stewart, Walter (I69936)
 
650 William (Sir), KB by 1333; Marshal; allegedly taken prisoner by English at Battle of Halidon Hill 1333; apparently dead by 1352 and was seemingly father of [Sir William]. [Burke's Peerage] Keith, Sir William (I70112)
 

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