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301 George Dunbar, 10th and last Earl of Dunbar/March; knighted 1424, was removed in 1434 from the Earldom & and all Scottish lands by James I of Scotland on the pretext that the 9th Earl's negotiations for allegiance in 1406 were with the Regent, when legally they should have been with the King himself, hence that the Earldom and estates remained forfeited because of the 9th Earl's treason. (The real reason being James's determination to end the power of the only-intermittently loyal Earls of Dunbar once and for all.) The 10th Earl fled to England where he was paid a paltry sum from Scottish sources until his death. James I was rid of an often times disloyal Earldom. [Burke's Peerage]

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EARLDOM OF MARCH [SCT] (IV)

EARLDOM OF DUNBAR [SCT] (X)

GEORGE (DUNBAR), EARL OF MARCH, or DUNBAR [SCT], son and heir, born about 1370, being about 50 in 1420. He, who was knighted at the Coronation of James I, consented in 1409 (with his father) to the alienation of the Lordship of Annandale to the Earl of Douglas. He was employed in negotiating the freedom of Jarnes I, whorn he met at Durham, in 1424; on his return to Scotland. He was arrested with the Duke of Albany [SCT], but sat on his trial in May 1425; was in frequent embassies to England, and was, in 1430, one of the sponsors of Prince James, afterwards James II. In 1434, however, the King, on the pretence of his holding an Earldom and estates which had been forfeited by his father's treason, whose pardon being by a Regent only (not an actual King) was alleged to be invalid, seized his lands, had the case referred to Parliament, by which it was declared at Perth, 10 January 1434/5, that the Earldom and estates were forfeited. At the same time the King conferred on him "the empty title" of EARL OF BUCHAN, but he never assumed it, and within 10 years it was granted elsewhere. The Earl fled to England, retaining only the Barony of Kilconquhar, co. Fife, held from the Bishop of St. Andrews. He married Beatrice, who died before 1421.

On 7 August 1421 he had license to marry Alice, daughter of Sir William HAY, of Yester, but it is uncertain if this marriage ever took place. He died between 1455 and 1457, aged over 80, having had since 9 April 1449 (when he was styled Comes Marchiarum et Dominus de Kilconquhar) an annuity of 400 marks out of the revenues of the Earldom. [Complete Peerage IV:509, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 
Dunbar, Sir George (I70154)
 
302 Gerard was grandson of Randolph de Limesay or Limesis, founder of Hertford Priory and a tenant-in-chief of large estates 1086. [Burke's Peerage] De Limesay, Gerard (I70196)
 
303 Germaine, daughter and heir of Albert, Count of Corbeil. [Burke's Peerage] De Corbeil, Countess Germaine (I71028)
 
304 Gilbert (Sir), of Oliver Castle; born by 1214; Sheriff of Tweeddale 1233-59; married Christian Lascelles (probably cognate with Leslie) and died c1263. [Burke's Peerage]

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The following is from "Scotland and her Tartans" by Alexander Fulton.

The first known Fraser in Scotland was Simon Fraser, who in about 1160 donated the Church of Keith to Kelso Abbey. The name came from the lordship of LaFraseliere in Anjou, and a descendant of Simon Fraser, Sir Gilbert Fraser, established the main line of the family in about 1250 at Touch-Fraser, Stirlingshire. His direct descendant, Alexander Fraser was knighted by King Robert I (the Bruce) before the battle of Bannockburn in 1314. After the battle he married the Bruce's sister, Lady Mary - who had been strung up in a cage for four years by King Edward I of England in reprisal for the Bruce's coronation - and he was later Chamberlain of Scotland. Their grandson gained the lands of Philorth in Buchan by his marriage in 1375. 
Fraser Of Oliver, Sir Gilbert (I71326)
 
305 Gilbert de Gant, son of Baldwin, Earl of Flanders, by Maud, sister of William the Conqueror, accompanied his uncle into England and, participating in the triumph of Hastings, obtained a grant of the lands of a Danish proprietor named Tour, with numerous other lordships. This Gilbert happened to be at York, anno 1069, and had a narrow escape when the Danes in great force, on behalf of Edgar Etheling, entered the mouth of the Humber and, marching upon that city, committed lamentable destruction by fire and sword, there being more than 3,000 Normans slain. Like most of the great lords of his time, Gilbert de Gant disgorged to the church a part of the spoil which he had seized, and amongst other acts of piety restored Bardney Abbey, co. Lincoln, which had been utterly destroyed many years before by the Pagan Danes, Inquar and Hubba. He m, Alice, dau. of Hugh de Montfort, and had issue, Hugh, who assumed the name Montfort; Walter, his successor; Robert, Lord Chancellor of England, anno 1153; and Emma, m. to Alan, Lord Percy. This great feudal chief d. in the reign of William Rufus. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 227, Gant, Earls of Lincoln]

Note: Maud was not a sister, but wife of William the Conqueror; Baldwin VI was her brother, while Baldwin V was her father. The two Baldwins were Counts not Earls of Flanders. Earl is an English term not used on the continent. I do not agree with the above parentage for Gilbert in any case.

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Emma, daughter of Gilbert de Gant (himself son of Baldwin, Count of Flanders, and nephew of Queen Matilda or Maud, wife of William I The Conqueror) by Gilbert's wife Alice, herself daughter of Hugh de Montfort. [Burke's Peerage]

Note: I do not agree with the above parentage for Gilbert.

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More Important NOTE: Ancestral Roots, in a revised lineage for the 7th edition, states that Gilbert's parents are Gisele (or Gisla) of Luxembourg and Rudolph I of Aalst (or Alost) (also called Ralph de Gand or Ghent). Whoever AR had as parents of Gilbert in prior editions had been removed based on new evidence. I will go with AR.

Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt or Ghent), d. c 1095, buried Bardney, probably arrived in England in 1066; was a commander in York 1068, and was taken prisoner there by the Danes in 1069. He was a tenant-in-chief and one of the largest landholders in co. Lincoln in 1086. Folkingham being the head of his barony; m. Alice de Montfort, daughter of Count Hugh de Montfort-sur-Risle. [Ancestral Roots]

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Curt Hofemann referrred me to this site (http://www.rootsweb.com/~medieval/gant.htm), which has information from SGM:

GEN-MEDIEVAL/soc.genealogy.medieval
Who were the parents
of Gilbert de Gant?
compiled by Raymond W. Phair

[This article has been slightly modified from a posting which was made to GEN-MEDIEVAL / soc.genealogy.medieval on 12 July 1999.]

His parents very probably were Ralph, lord of Alost (Aalst in Flemish), and Gisele, daughter of Frederick count of Luxembourg.

Sherman has given the most recent detailed account which is the basis for what is summarized below, unless another reference is stated. All the records cited by Sherman have been published. He emphasized the evidence was very strong, but not conclusive.

Gilbert I de Gant (d. ca.1095) was in England by 1069 when he and William Malet unsuccessfully defended York castle against the Danish invasion and local rebellion [Sherman; EYC 2:432; CP 6:672n; P. Dalton, Conquest, anarchy and lordship, 1994, p.11].

A 1075 transaction in the Watten abbey chronicle was witnessed by Gilbert, described as having come from England and as the brother of Baldwin of Ghent. In 1052 Ralph of Ghent and his son Baldwin attested a charter of the abbey of St. Peter of Mount Blandin, Ghent (Gand, Gent), presumably the same Baldwin. Their records are the main source of information for this family.

Ralph the Advocate was one of the advocates of St. Peter from as early as 1026 to sometime before 1058. He was succeeded by Baldwin the Advocate. They are believed to be Gilbert's father and brother mentioned in the previous paragraph. It is from their service as advocates that some members of their family were called 'de Gandavo' (of Ghent). Sherman proposed the castellans of Ghent were the other family of advocates of St. Peter. He also noted that while Gilbert's family were the lords of what was probably the county of Alost, they were never titled counts in any records.

In a 1094 gift to the abbey of Bergues St. Winnoc, witnessed by Baldwin of Ghent (son of Gilbert's brother Baldwin who d. 1082), Ralph the Chamberlain identified himself as a son of Ralph of Alost and Gisele. He was a fellow witness with Gilbert to the 1075 transaction mentioned above. He may have been the Ralph son of Ralph in a 1056 charter of St. Peter, prior to his appointment as chamberlain. Alternatively, the 1056 Ralph son of Ralph might have been Gilbert's father, but he appeared to have been dead in that year, or someone unrelated.

The annals of St. Peter record about 1042 a gift from Ralph of Ghent and his wife Gisele -- their earliest joint appearance. They had at least 3 sons: Baldwin (their heir), Ralph the Chamberlain, and Gilbert. It is thus extremely probable that she was the unidentified Gisele in 1056 and 1058 who gave land and a serf to the abbey for the souls of her father, her husband Ralph, and her sons. Both of her gifts were witnessed by Baldwin, Ralph, and Gilbert, described as her sons. Although they were not called 'of Alost' or 'of Ghent', it would be an extraordinary coincidence if these were not the members of that family.

Rubincam, using a source not used by Sherman (and published after Vanderkindere), found that in 1036 Ralph of Ghent and his wife Gisele made a gift to the abbey. Neither Rubincam nor Sherman provided sufficient details to determine if this was the gift Sherman reported occurred in 1042. Rubincam also found, but didn't cite a source, that Ralph in 1056 witnessed a gift by count Baldwin to the abbey of St. Omer. Rubincam believed he was Gilbert's father, but he was probably the brother.

Assuming this was Gilbert de Gant in the 1056 gift and that he was about 16 or older, then he was born about 1040 or earlier. His brother Baldwin was probably the Baldwin of Ghent who witnessed a St. Peter charter in 1046, suggesting he was born about 1030 or earlier.

Also, if that was a grant by Gilbert's mother, then his father Ralph had apparently died sometime between 1052 (his last occurrence) and 1056. His parentage is unknown, but it seems likely that he was a descendant of the Ralph the Advocate who appeared in the abbey's records in 994.

Vanderkindere (1:121) mentioned a Baldwin occured as advocate in 962 (not discussed by Sherman) who may thus be another ancestor of Ralph. Moriarty assumed Baldwin was the father of the earlier Ralph who was in turn the father of Ralph husband of Gisele. In view of the large gaps, however, there may have been additional generations.

Gilbert's mother was probably the Gisele who was a sister of Otgiva (Ogive), wife of Baldwin IV count of Flanders, and thus Gilbert was one of Charlemagne's descendants. The burials of both Otgiva (d. 21 Feb 1030) and Gisele (d. 21 May, year unknown) are mentioned in the annals of St. Peter, but it, unfortunately, did not name Gisele's husband.

Europaische Stammtafeln (ES), 6:128 (1978), identified Gisele as a daughter of count Frederick and wife of Ralph of Alost, but didn't show their children on that page. It also showed her sister Otgiva married about 1005 Baldwin IV. ES 2:5 (1984) had 1012 for Otgiva's marriage date, as did K.F. Werner's 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen', in Karl der Grosse, ed. W. Braunfels, vol.4 (1967).

Sherman wondered if the erroneous ancestry for Gilbert given in Monasticon Anglicanum (5:491) may have arisen when the unknown author, writing after 1307, found in an unknown source that Gilbert was described as 'nepos' of William the Conqueror and assumed it to mean 'nephew', although in this case its less frequent meaning of 'kinsman' was intended. Gilbert was the first cousin once removed of William's wife, if the assumption about Gisele's identity is correct.

Gilbert's name appears to have come from his mother's family -- her older brother was Gilbert count of Luxembourg (1047-59), and she had a paternal uncle also named Gilbert. He had a son named Ralph and a grandson named Baldwin, while his brother Baldwin of Ghent named one of his sons Gilbert [CP 7:672; Sherman].

Sherman didn't mention if any tenants of Gilbert de Gant in England can be traced to Flanders. Gilbert did not seem to hold any land in Flanders.

The identification of Gilbert's father as Ralph of Alost first appeared in A. Duchesne, Histoire genealogique des maisons ... de Gand, ..., 1631. Among the many later writers who have given it were the following:

L.V.J.A. Vanderkindere, Histoire de la formation territoriale des principautes belges au moyen age, vol.1 (1899).
W. Farrer, Early Yorkshire Charters (EYC), 2:432 (1915).
Complete Peerage (CP), 7:672n (1929).
M. Rubincam, 'The true origin of the house of Gaunt', Genealogists' magazine, 9:1-7 (1940).
F.M. Stenton, Anglo-Saxon England, 1st ed., 1941, p.621; 3rd ed., 1971, p.629 (no source). D.C. Douglas, William the Conqueror, 1964, p.267, only cited Stenton for it.
G.A. Moriarty, 'The ancestry of Gilbert de Gant', The American Genealogist, 34:39-40 (1958).
R.M. Sherman, 'The continental origins of the Ghent family of Lincolnshire', Nottingham Medieval Studies, 22:23-35 (1978).

Sherman did not use Farrer, Rubincam, nor Moriarty. See his paper for references to additional works discussing this family. 
De Gand, Gilbert (I70184)
 
306 Gilbert de Lacy, d. 1230, of Ewyas Lacy, Trim, and of Weobl ey, co. Hereford, son and heir apparent of Walter de Lacy d . 1241, Lord of Meath. [Magna Charta Sureties]
Ancestral File Number: 91SD-CD
Gilbert de Lacy, d. 1230, of Ewyas Lacy, Trim, and of Weobley, co. Hereford, son and heir apparent of Walter de Lacy d. 1241, Lord of Meath. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Gilbert de Lacy, dvp between 12 Aug and 25 Dec 1230, son and heir (apparent) of Walter de Lacy, Lord of Meath, etc. by his wife Margaret de Braose. [Magna Charta Sureties] 
De Lacy, Gilbert II (I69840)
 
307 Gilbert the Marshal, was the first known holder of the office. He with his son John successfully maintained their right under Henry I to the office of Master Marshal in the King's Household, for which they had been impleaded in the King's Court by Robert de Venoiz and William de Hastings (g). The name and parentage of Gilbert's wife are unknown. He d. in or shortly before 1130 (h). [Complete Peerage X:Appendix G:92]

(g) This appears from King John's confirmation, 20 Apr 1200, to William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke. Gilbert may have been son or grandson of an otherwise unknown Robert, who in 1086 held Cheddar, Somerset, under Roger de Courseulles. Robert the Marshal, who in 1086 held Lavington, Wilts, in chief, has been suggested as the possible progenitor of the family, but this is unlikely, as in 1166 Lavington was held by Piers de la Mare.

(h) He left at least 2 sons, John abovenamed and William Giffard, who was presented to the church of Cheddar Hole, Somerset, and was admitted by Godfrey, Bishop of Bath (1122-35), which church was given to Bradenstoke Priory by his brother John. Unless there was another brother named William, he was Chancellor to the Empress Maud in 1141 and 1142. Presumably William was called "Giffard" as a nickname -- the chubby cheeked.

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The following is a post to SGM, 8 Jan 2003, by John Ravillious, which introduces the name "Giffard" into the Marshal family (CP thought it was merely a nickname for Gilbert's brother). Perhaps this family is connected to the Giffards of Loungeville, Normandy:

From: Therav3@aol.com (Therav3@aol.com)
Subject: Gilbert Giffard of Winterbourne Monkton: ancestor of William Marshal ?
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-01-08 21:16:34 PST

Wednesday, 8 January, 2003

Hello All,

A wise man once said, ' Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.' Well, he probably said it more than once.

Anyway, in looking about for more Despenser detritus, I came across an article from the English Historical Review from 1999 in which the author (N. E. Stacy) put forth, in part, the position that the family of William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke derived from one Gilbert Giffard (or Gibard), Domesday tenant of Winterbourne Monkton. I have incorporated the relevant portion of the article below [1].

Is anyone of the list aware of this derivation being accepted, or disproven? If this is correct, the information below impacts the ancestry of the widest range of list members (apologies to JSG: William Marshal is another good candidate for 'Kilroy of medieval English ancestry').

Good luck, and good hunting to all.

John *

NOTES

[1] From English Historical Review, Feb.1999: Henry of Blois and the Lordship of Glastonbury ( N. E. Stacy)

online: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0293/455_114/54050231/print.jhtml


' A major player in the politics of the civil war was the subject of another remarkable omission from the abbey's carta. On the border of John Marshal's manor of Rockley and only six miles from his base at Marlborough lay the Glastonbury manor of Winterbourne Monkton, including a 3 1/2-hide subtenancy over which the abbot's lordship had been recognized in 1086 and was to be again in 1173 and thereafter, but which was absent from the carta of 1166.(2) At the time of Domesday it had been held by Gilbert
Gibard'.(3) He withheld geld from his demesne, which, as a mesne tenant, he was not entitled to do, but as one of the chief officers of the royal household he was anyway exempt. For Gilbert
Gibard' or Giffard was in fact the marshal, father of John I and grandfather of John II, who answered for one fee of Glastonbury Abbey in 1173.(4) No Marshal obligation, however, was recorded in 1166. Bishop Henry's relations with the family can never have been good, since its opposition to Stephen had been patent: John I's brother, William, had become Matilda's chancellor,(5) while John himself had pursued his own interests, which took him often into the Angevin camp but rarely, if ever, into Stephen's.(6) However, the Marshal exclusion from Glastonbury's carta was not based purely on personal antagonism, for the fee they held of Henry as bishop of Winchester was duly recorded in 1166.(7) The Glastonbury problem was probably connected with a dispute between the abbey and another tenant, the earl of Salisbury, over his fee at Mildenhall (Wilts.). This large subtenancy had been granted as a marriage-portion to Earl Patrick's sister, Sybil, on her marriage to John Marshal in the 1140s and thereafter the service owed to the abbot had lapsed.(1) Whether the Marshal instigated the refusal of service from his wife's manor because of a dispute over Winterbourne or withheld service from Winterbourne because of his in-laws' dispute over Mildenhall cannot be known, but the two problems were surely connected. Bishop Henry as usual proved intractable and no settlement could be made in either case while he was alive. It was his successor, Abbot Robert of Winchester (1173-80), who secured Earl William of Salisbury's confirmation of knight service owed from Mildenhall and John Marshal II's acknowledgment of that due from Winterbourne Monkton.(2) By an irony Richard Cotel, the successor and namesake of Bishop Henry's enemy, was to marry the heiress of the rear tenant of the latter fee and so extend the presence within the Glastonbury lordship of a family which the Bishop had been at pains to expel.(3) '

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The earliest notice of this family occurs in the time of Henry I, when Gilbert Mareschall, and John, his son, were impleaded by Robert de Venoix and William de Hastings for the office of Mareschal to the king, but without success. The son, (bearing the same surname, derived from his office), was called John Mareschall. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 357, Marshal, Barons Marshal 
Giffard Of Winterbourne, Gilbert (I70897)
 
308 Gilbert, 4th Baron Kendal, son of Ketel, Baron Kendal, son of Eldred, Baron Kendal. [Ancestral Roots, line 34-24]

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The following is a post to SGM, 2 Oct 1998, by Nigel Barker (explains why I originally had Eldred as son of Ivo de Taillebois):

From: Nigel Barker (nigel@a6law.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Ivo and Lucy Talybois
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1998/10/02

I set out some further information which may assist this matter -
another doubtful Charter of a Religeous House, with partisan views, may
be distorting proper genealogy!
>
VICTORIA HISTORY OF LANCASHIRE
VOL I pp35>

.Notes from passage on the family of Lancaster, Barons of Kendal

[The origin of the family is obscure.]

[Small landholder within the Barony of Coupland.]

[Granted land by William Meschine when he was granted his fief by Henry I.]

"The first recorded member is little mentioned beyond the bare fact that his name was Gilbert and his wife's name was Godith (Lancs Fines Rec Soc XXXIX 61). To this the monkish chroniclers have added the fiction that he was the son of Ketel, son of Eldred, son of Ivo Taillebois (Mon Angl iii 553 & Cockersands Cartulary, Chethem Soc (New Series) xxxix 305), whereas he was almost, if not quite, contemporary with Ivo, by whom Gilbert and his predecessor was probably enffeoffed of those manors within the Barony of Westmoreland which his descendants, the barons of Kendal, where chief lords. (Gilbert fitz Reinford & Helewise his wife confirmed some of Ivo's grants to the Abbey of St. Mary, York (Mon Ang iii 566))

The connection which existed between the heirs of Ketel, son of Eldred, namely the Curwens of Workington, and the Lancasters, of whom the former held several manors in Cumberland and Westmoreland, was probably of tenure rather than consanguinity. Intimately connected with this subject is a charter, of which an ancient transcript is preserved at Levens Hall, by which Roger de Mawbury grants to William son of Gilbert de Lancaster,in fee and inheritance, "all my land of Lonsdale, and of Kendal, and Horton in Ribblesdale, to hold by the service of 4 knights (Reg of Deeds at Levens Hall f79, Lancs Pipe Reg 389). It would be interesting to discuss the question as to whether this charter represents an original grant or merely a confirmation of a much older infeudation.

William son of Gilbert was the first to be enfeoffed of land in Lancaster. In 1212 he is described as "Willelmus filiuus Gibberti premus". He is not always described as "de Lancaster" for which it may be inferred that he was the first of his line to be associated with the Court and its Lords. The Mon. Chronicle to which allusion has already been made tells us that he caused himself to be called "de Lancaster" by the King's Licence, and to be styled before the King in Parliament (sic) "William de Lancaster, Baron Kendal". The same Chronicle states that he married Gundreda, formerly Countess of Warwick, whose husband, Roger de Newburgh, died in 1153.

William de Lancaster died in or after 1170.

Et seq.

Nigel Barker 
De Lancaster, Baron Gilbert (I70286)
 
309 Gilbert, Count of Brionne, who was son of Godfrey, Count of Brionne, illegitimate son of Richard I, the Fearless, Duke of Normandy. [Magna Charta Sureties, line 157-1]

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Gilbert, Count of Brionne; benefactor of the Abbey of Bec in Normandy. [Burke's Peerage]

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Gilbert, Earl of Brion, had two sons, Richard, ancestor of the house of Clare, and Baldwin de Brionis. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 139, Courtenay, Barons Courtenay, Earls of Devon]

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Gislebert, surnamed Crispin, Earl of Brion, in Normandy, whose eldest son [was] Richard FitzGilbert. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 118, Clare, Lords of Clare, Earls of Hertford, Earls of Gloucester] 
De Brionne, Count Gilbert Fitzgodfrey (I52576)
 
310 Gilbert, Count of Brionne, who was son of Godfrey, Count of Brionne, illegitimate son of Richard I, the Fearless, Duke of Normandy. [Magna Charta Sureties, line 157-1]

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Turton has Geoffrey (Godfrey Comte d'Eu as a legitimate son of Richard & Gunnora, which confused me for awhile and I had him as a 2nd person (father of Adele only). However I believe Turton is wrong, and Godfrey was an illegitimate son (in fact the eldest illegitimate son).

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The following is the first part of a post to SGM, 29 Aug 1996, by Dave Utzinger:

From: Dave Utzinger (UTZ@AOL.COM)
Subject: CLARE FAMILY
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/08/29

From "A Baronial Family in Medieval England: The Clares, 1217-1314", by Michael Altschul, Baltimore, The Johns Hopkins press, 1965.

The Clares came to England with the Conqueror. Like many other great families settled in England after the Conquest, they were related to the dukes of Normandy and had established themselves as important members of the Norman feudal aristocracy in the late tenth and early eleventh centuries.

The origin of the family can be traced to Godfrey, eldest of the illegitimate children of Duke Richard I (the Fearless), the Conqueror's great-grandfather. While the Duke granted Godfrey Brionne, he did not make him a count. Godfrey's comital title derives from the grant of the county of Eu made to him after 996 by his half-brother, Duke Richard II. After Godfrey's death, Eu was given to William, another of Duke Richard I's bastard sons, and Gilbert, Godfrey's son, was left with only the lordship of Brionne. However, under Duke Robert I, father of William the Conqueror, Gilbert assumed the title of count of Brionne while not relinquishing his claim to Eu. When Count William of Eu died shortly before 1040, Gilbert assumed the land and title, but he was assassinated in 1040 and his young sons, Richard and Baldwin, were forced to flee Normandy, finding safety at the court of Baldwin V, count of Flanders. When William the Conqueror married Count Baldwin's daughter, he restored Gilbert's sons to Normandy, although he did not invest them with either Brionne or Eu or a comital title. William granted the lordships of Bienfaite and Orbec to Richard fitz Gilbert, and Le Sap and Meules to Baldwin. While Gilbert's descendants later pressed a claim for Brionne, it was never restored. 
De Brionne, Count Godfrey Fitzrichard (I54230)
 
311 Gilbert, feudal Lord of Clare, Suffolk and Cardigan, whose father Richard was son of the Count of Brionne, of an illegitimate line of the Dukes of Normandy). [Burke's Peerage]

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Gilbert de Tonebruge, who resided at Tonebruge and inherited all his father's lands in England, joined in the rebellion of Robert de Mowbray, Earl of Northumberland, but observing the king (William Rufus) upon the point of falling into an ambuscade, he relented, sought pardon, and saved his royal master. We find him subsequently, however, again in rebellion in the same reign and fortifying and losing his castle at Tunbridge. He m. in 1113, Adeliza, dau. of the Earl of Cleremont, and had issue, Richard, his successor, Gilbert, Walter, Hervey, and Baldwin. Gilbert de Tonebruge, who was a munificent benefactor to the church, was s. by his eldest son, Richard de Clare. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 119, Clare, Lords of Clare, Earls of Hertford, Earls of Gloucester]


Gilbert m. Adeliza, dau, of the Earl of Claremont, and was father of Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford, and Gilbert de Clare, created Earl of Pembroke. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 230, Giffard, Earls of Buckingham] 
De Clare, Earl Gilbert Fitz Richard Earl Of Clare (I52584)
 
312 Gillemich(a)el MacDuff, Earl of Fife c1129, died c1133-36. [Burke's Peerage]

Note: Burke's Peerage has Gillemichael as son of the Earl of Fife, who they call Edelrad (and I name Heth Aethelred), but with no explanation of where the "MacDuff" name comes from. I believe that sources in World Connect are correct: Gillemichael is son of Duff MacEth, son of Heth/Eth Aethelred/Edelrad.

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EARLDOM OF FIFE (SCT) (III)

Gillemichel MacDuff, Earl of Fife, who, as "Gillemichel Makduff" (c), "Gillemichel Comes", and "Gillemichel, Comes de Fif" witnessed several charters. He appears to have rendered great service to the King, and it is not improbable that the territorial Earldom became for the first time hereditary in him and his heirs. He d. before July 1136. [Complete Peerage V:372]

(c) This is the first appearance of the name "Macduff". Gillemichel is said to have descended from the traditional Macduff called Thane of Fife (though there never were such Thanes) by whom Macbeth was overthrown in 1057.

Note: Similarly to BP, CP names Gillemichel "MacDuff", but does not give his ancestry. CP names Constantine as the previous Earl of Fife to Gillemichel, with no relationship given. The following is the entry in CP for Constantine:

Constantine, 2nd Earl of Fife, was contemporary with "Ed. Comes" [I have as Heth, CP has as Beth, Ed, or Head], who, however, was possibly Earl of Forthreve only, while it is certain that Constantine was connected with Kirkcaldy in Fife. He d. 1127 or 1129. [Complet Peerage V:372]

Note: Constantine was alive at the same time as Beth/Heth/Eth/Ed, the first Earl of Fife, therefore is not a direct ancestor of Gillemichel. However Gillemichel's father Duff may not have been Earl of Fife, but may have been "of Fife". 
Of Fife, Earl Gillimichael Macduff (I70497)
 
313 Godwin, fourth son of Leofwin and Alwara, had issue, Wolfric, Godric, Egelric, and Egelwyn. Mercia, Godwin Of (I70865)
 
314 Gorm(f)la(e)th/Hvafleda/Harlod/Hvorflod, daughter of Malcolm MacHeth, 1st Earl of Ross, supposedly himself son of Angus Earl of Moray. [Burke's Peerage] Orkney, Gormflaeth Macheth Countess Of (I70477)
 
315 Gospatric de Dunbar, 1st Earl of Dunbar; living c1115, when he seems to have been a signatory to the Charter of Scone by which the Abbey of Scone was founded; killed leading his men of Lothian in Scottish defeat by the English at the Battle of Standard (near Northallerton, North Yorks) 23 Aug 1138. [Burke's Peerage]

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EARLDOM OF DUNBAR (I)

GOSPATRIC DE DUNBAR, EARL [SCT], 3rd son being younger brother of Dolfin (expelled 1092 from Carlisle), was apparently one of the nine signatories to the charter of Scone (circ. 1115), as also, about a year later (under the style of Gospatricus, frater Dolfini), to the Inquisitio Davidis. He appears to have held the position of an EARL, though there is no record of the title of the Earldom, nor is he ever called Earl in any known document in his lifetime. In a charter, confirmed 16 August 1139 (after his death), to the monks of Durham, he is styled "Gospatricus Comes, frater Dolfini," being, in the heading thereof, called "Gospatricus secundus Comes frater Dolfini." This Earl is doubtless the summus dux Lodonensium (the leader of the men of Lothian) slain at the battle of the Standard 22 August 1138, fighting against the English at Cowton Moor, near Northallerton. [Complete Peerage IV:504-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 
Dunbar, Sir Gospatric II (I70458)
 
316 Gospatric; installed 1068/9 by William I the Conqueror as Earl, then predominantly an administrative post after his payment of a heavy fine or what would now be thought of as an entrance fee (though his hereditary claim through his maternal grandfather also played a part). Later (Oct or Nov 1072) deprived of the Earldom on a charge of having taken part in a massacre at Durham; fled to Scotland, where his cousin Malcolm III of Scotland granted him the Mormaership of Dunbar. [Burke's Peerage]

A subsequent Earl of Nothumberland was Gospatric, son and heir of Maldred, who in turn was son of Crinan, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld in what is now Perthshire. Gospatric held the Earldom from c Feb 1068/9 to 1072. Gospatric had a hereditary claim to the office of Earl of Northumberland, as did several of his successors. Disloyalty or incompetence in governing could lead to an Earls being deprived of his position, however, and when Gospatric rebelled he was ejected. [Burke's Peerage, Earldom & Dukedom of Northumberland, p. 2117]

Pilgrimage to Rome 1061.

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GOSPATRIC [a] son of MALDRED,[b] by Ealdgyth, daughter and heir of Ughtred, PRINCE OF NORTHUMBERLAND (and Elgiva, daughter of ETHELRED, KING OF ENGLAND), was born between 1040 and 1048; is probably identical with the "noble youth" of that name who visited Rome in 1061, in company with Tostig, the brother of Harold II; joined the Danes in an invasion of the north of England, but making peace with William I, was at Christmas 1067 entrusted with the government of Northumberland. Being, however, deprived of that post in October or November 1072, he fled to Scotland, receiving from Malcolm III "Dunbar with the adjacent lands in Lothian." He married. (----), sister of Edmund. He died probably about 1075, and most likely is the "Gospatricus Comes" whose monument was at Durham. He is stated in Hoveden to have died and been buried at Ubbanford [i.e. Norham], not long after his flight to Scotland. [Complete Peerage 4:504]

(a) "Gospatric" is Celtic for "the servant of Patrick" the word "Gwas" meaning "servant" Joseph Bain found the word as "Qwaspatricius" in an inquisition.

[b] Maldred was probably brother of Duncan, King of Scotland, 1034-40, who was s. of Crinan, Abbot of Dunkeld, which Crinan is conjectured (by Skene) to be the same as Crinan Tein, the father of this Maldrcd. Gospatric was thus cousin (paternally) to the Scottish and (maternally) to the English Kings.

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I received the following query (followed by my reply), along with information from electricscotland.com from Lora:

From: LCnobilus@wmconnect.com [mailto:LCnobilus@wmconnect.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 1:51 PM
To: jimweber@nwintl.com
Subject: 1st Earl of Dunbar

Hi Jim,
According to this Electric Scotland account, it was Gospatrick I who was the first earl of Dunbar. I copied this (a small part) "Traditions and Stories of Scottish Castles -- Dunbar Castle" from their site. You show Gospatrick II as the first earl (ref. #I00234). There are a number of other sites that concur with Electric Scotland. So what do you think?
Lora

The first traces of this early structure are found in the records relating to William the Conqueror. In 1067, that monarch conferred the Earldom of Northumberland upon Robert Comyn, but he was so unpopular with his vassals that he and all his retainers were put to death in 1068 by the inhabitants of the district. Then Cospatrick (sometimes called "Gospatrick ") grandson of Malcolm II., King of Scotland, claimed the Earldom through his mother, who was a daughter of Uchtred, the Saxon Earl of Northumberland, but had ultimately to pay "a great sum of money" for it in 1067 to William the Conqueror. Soon afterwards Cospatrick quarrelled with William, and fled into Scotland with other northern leaders, finding refuge in 1072 with Malcolm III. (Ceanmor), whose wife, St Margaret, was a Saxon Princess. Malcolm conferred upon him "Dunbar with the adjacent lands in Lothian," and he thus became the first Earl of Dunbar. His death took place about 1089, and he was succeeded by his son, Cospatrick, second Earl of Dunbar, who was a benefactor to the Abbey of Kelso. Before his death in 1139, he had probably begun the erection of Dunbar Castle, as the oldest part of the ruins belong to about that period. This Earl was present at the foundation of Scone Abbey in 1115, and Holyrood Abbey in 1128, the former by Alexander I., and the latter by his brother and successor, David I., sons of Malcolm III. (Ceanmor).

My reply to the above is:
Gospatric was the first to settle in Dunbar, fleeing Northumbria after incurring the wrath of William the Conqueror. However both Burke's Peerage and the Complete Peerage, which are well respected in terms of the peerage of Great Britain, state that his son was the first Earl of Dunbar. So, according to peerage law, I think that BP and CP are probably correct. To be absolutely sure, one might check the Scots Peerage as well.

I can see where informally Gospatric could be assumed to be the first Earl of Dunbar, because he was the first to hold the Castle of Dunbar (there was a castle or something there before, but it was abandoned and may not have been called Dunbar), which became associated with the Earldom of Dunbar. For example in early England, titles were associated with holding certain castles/estates, such as Arundel or Shrewsbury, and whoever held them became known as the Earl of Arundel (Sussex) or the Earl of Shrewsbury (Salopshire/Shropshire). To my way of thinking these were the "real" earls and were immensely wealthy in a comparative sense (ie. The Earl of Chester "held" the entire county of Chester and there were only 25 or 30 of these earls who held the entire country). With very few exceptions the Scottish Peerage has maintained this relationship of titles to the holding of certain lands, whereas the English have gotten far away from that.

However I suppose that CP and BP did not consider Dunbar Castle to be the honour of an Earldom until Gospatric's son was proven to be an Earl. The "proof" of the son's status as an Earl did not come until a charter which was confirmed 16 Aug 1139, after his death, mentioned him as "Comes" or Earl. I suppose that one could argue that his father may have been styled an earl as well, but there is no proof.

Jim Weber 
Dunbar, Earl Gospatric I (I70461)
 
317 Gruoch mustered fierce opposition against King Malcolm II, who responded by killing her husband, Gillacomgen of Moray. Gruoch (who was pregnant at the time) fled to the protection of her cousin-in-law Macbeth, the son of Donada and Findlaech. Shortly afterwards, in 1032, she married her protector - and was henceforth Lady Macbeth. Of Scotland, Gruoch (I70465)
 
318 Gt. Grandaughter of Boso II, d. 965/7. [Ancestral Roots] De Provence, Emma Venaissin (I70556)
 
319 Guillaume de Briouze is recorded in lists of those present at the Battle of Hastings. He became the first Lord of the Bramber Rape by 1073 and built Bramber Castle. William made considerable grants to the abbey of Saint Florent, Saumur to endow the foundation of Sele Priory near Bramber and a priory at Briouze. He continued to fight alongside King William in the campaigns in Britain, Normandy, and Maine.
See remains of gatehouse at Bramber Castle.
William de Braose came into England with the Conqueror and held, at the general survey, considerable estates in the counties of Berks, Wilts, Surrey, Dorset, and Sussex. He was s. by his son, Philip de Braose. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 72, Braose, Baron Braose, of Gower] 
De Braose, Sir William I (I55104)
 
320 Gundred de Warenne m. (2) William de Lancaster I, d. 1170, 5th Baron Kendal of Workington in Coupland, son of Gilbert, 4th Baron Kendal; he inherited an extensive fief held of the Honour of Coupland, served as castellan of William fitz Duncan's castle of Egremont in 1138, and was Governor of the Caslte of Lancaster. [Ancestral Roots, line 88-25]

Note: Their daughter Avice's birthdate is about 1145 according to some, but if Plantagenet Ancestry is right in attributing her mother to be Gundred (Ancestral Roots gives no mother), then an 1154 date would be much more likely. This also involves making subsequent descendant birthdates a bit later as well.

Note also: Ancestral Roots states that Gilbert de Stainton is probably son of William I de Lancaster. However I believe that chronologically he is more likely to be a brother. 
De Lancaster, William (I55298)
 
321 Gunnilda [dau. of Gospatric & a sister of Edmund], m. Orm, son of Ketel, Baron Kendal; held the manor of Seaton, also the towns of Camberton, Craysother and Flemingsby. [Ancestral Roots] Dunbar, Gunnilda Of (I70469)
 
322 Gunnilda, m. Orm, son of Ketel, Baron Kendal; held the manor of Seaton, also the towns of Camberton, Craysother and Flemingsby. [Ancestral Roots] Kendal, Orm Of , Lord Of Seton (I70279)
 
323 Harald, Jt Jarl of Orkney with his cousin Rognvald and perhaps Jt Earl of Caithness too; born 1130; killed his cousin Harald ugni 1198 and so became sole Earl of Caithness; married 1st Afrika/Alfreka, sister of Duncan Earl of Fife; married 2nd Gorm(f)la(e)th/Hvafleda/Harlod/Hvorflod, daughter of Malcolm MacHeth, 1st Earl of Ross, supposedly himself son of Angus Earl of Moray. [Burke's Peerage]

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EARLDOM of CAITHNESS (VI, 7, 8, 9, and 10) 1170?

NORSE PREDECESSORS of the EARLS of ORKNEY - subject to King of Norway until after 1379

HARALD II Maddadsson or Macmadach (nephew of Jarl Paul the Silent and Jarl Slettmali), b. 1130, Jarl of half Orkney, so recognised by his second cousin once removed, Jarl Kali-Ragnvald III, before Easter, 22 Apr. 1139, at the instigation of Bishop John (? of Dunkeld). Left in charge of Kali-Ragnvald 
Of Caithness, Earl Harald Maddadson (I70476)
 
324 Hawise (or Helwise) de Lancaster, only child, Baroness Kendal, living Sep 1226; m. bef. 20 Jul 1189, Gilbert Fitz Rogert Fitz Reinfrid, Lord of Kendal, 1189, who had m. (1) ca. 1156, Rohaise, daughter of William de Rumare, and widow of Gilbert de Gaunt, who d. 1156. Gilbert was Steward to Henry II, in France 1180-89, and later to Richard I; was justice of the King's Court 1185, sheriff of Lancashire 1205-1216, and of Yorkshire 1209-1212, and d. bef. 13 Jun 1220. His father Roger Fitz Reinfrid, was witness to the King's will, Judge 1176, 1198, sheriff of Sussex 1176, and of Berkshire 1186-7. [Ancestral Roots, line 88-27] De Lancaster, Hawise (I70325)
 
325 He asked Richard Strongbow de Clare (and others including William Gerard, etc) to help him in Ireland. That was the beginning of the Norman Conquest of Ireland. Mac Murrough, King Dermot King Of Leinster (I21783)
 
326 He [Amauri de Montfort] m. 2ndly Agnes, niece of Stephen de Garlande, with whom he received Rochefort and Gournay-sur-Marne; her parentage is uncertain. She was probably the mother of his eldest son, Amauri, and certainly of his second son Simon, and of a daughter, Agnes. He d. 18 or 19 Apr, year unkown, and was buried at the Abbey of Haute-Bruyere, which he had founded. [Complete Peerage VII:Appendix D:713-4] De Garlande, Agnes (I71012)
 
327 He [Edward de Bruce] had a dispensation for marriage (which probably never took place) 1 June 1317, with Isabel, daughter of William, Earl of Ross. He dsp. legit, being slain at the battle of Dundalk, 14 Oct 1318, when the Earldom reverted to the Crown. [Complete Peerage III:56-57] Ross, Isabel (I70182)
 
328 He [Eustace FitzJohn] married, 1stly, Beatrice, only daughter and heir of Yves DE VESCY, lord of Alnwick and Malton, by [it is said] "Alda" only daughter and heir of William Tyson, also lord of Alnwick and Malton. She died in childbirth. [Complete Peerage XII/2:272-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] Vescy, Beatrix De (I71267)
 
329 He [Eustace FitzJohn] married, 2ndly, Agnes, elder sister and coheir of William and daughter of William FITZNEEL, both Barons of Halton in the palatinate of Chester and Constables of Chester. Eustace died in July 1157, being slain when part of Henry II's army was ambushed in the pass of Consyllt, near Basingwerk, in North Wales. His widow married Robert FITZCOUNT, apparently an illegitimate son of an Earl of Chester. He became Constable of Chester jure uxoris and died in or before 1166. [Complete Peerage XII/2:272-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] Fitzneel, Agnes (I71251)
 
330 He [George de Dunbar] married Christian, daughter. of Alan DE SETON (formerly WINTOUN), by Margaret, daughter and heir of Sir Alexander SETON, of Seton. She was living 7 March 1401/2. He died about 1416 or 1420, and certainly before 31 Mar. 1423, aged about 80. [Complete Peerage IV:508-9, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] Seton, Christian (I70126)
 
331 He [Gilbert of Strathearn] married, 1stly, Maud, daughter of William D'AUBIGNY, which Maud was living in 1210. [Complete Peerage XII/1:381, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] D'albini, Matilda (I71277)
 
332 He [Gilbert of Strathearn] married, 2ndly, Ysende, sister of Sir Richard and Geoffrey of Gask. He died in 1223. aged about 73. [Complete Peerage XII/1:381, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] Gask, Ysende Of (I71295)
 
333 He [Hugh de Ross] married, [? 2ndly], some time before 1329 (g), Margaret GRAHAM, said to be daughter of Sir David GRAHAM (h). He was killed, in command of the reserve at the battle of Halidon Hill, 19 July 1333; and was buried at Fearn. His widow married, 2ndly (dispensation, 13 April 1340], John DE BARCLAY. [Complete Peerage XI:144-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(g) When dispensation and legitimation of past and future offspring were granted, 29 Nov.

(h) Sir David was of Old Montrose, which he acquired by exchange with Robert de Brus. 
Graham, Margaret (I70142)
 
334 He [Hugh of Kevelioc" married, in 1169, Bertrade, then aged 14 (the King giving her away in marriage "because she was his own cousin "), daughter of Simon de Montfort, Count D'EVREUX by his 1st wife, Maud. He died at Leek, co. Stafford, 30 June 1181, aged about 34 and was buried at St. Werburg's, Chester. His widow died 1227, aged about 7I. [Complete Peerage III:167, XIV:170, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: CP VII Appendix D:716 states that Simon de Montfort only had one wife. His son, a previously unknown Simon, was married to the supposed 2nd wife, Amice de Beaumont as his only wife. See notes under Bertrade's father and brother (both named Simon). 
De Montfort, Bertrade (I52736)
 
335 He [John the Marshal] m., 2ndly, Sibyl, sister of Patrick de Salisbury, 1st Earl of WIltshire, and daughter of Walter de Salisbury, hereditary sheriff of Wiltshire and constable of Salisbury Castle, by Sibyl, daughter of Patrick de Chaources (Chaworth). John d. in 1165, before Michaelmas. [Complete Peerage X:Appendix G:93-95] De Salisbury, Sibyl (I70896)
 
336 He [Malise of Strathearn] married, in or before 1244, Marjory, daughter and coheir of Robert DE MUSCHAMP of Wooler (died 1250), by his wife Isabel (who married, 2ndly, Richard MORIN). She, who was said to be aged 24 in 1250, was living circa 13 October 1251, but died s.p.m. before 20 March 1254/5. [Complete Peerage XII/1:382-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] De Muschamp, Marjory (I70082)
 
337 He [Miles of Gloucester] married, as aforesaid, about April or May 1121, Sibyl, daughter of Bernard DE NEUFMARCHE, lord of Brecknock. He died 24 December 1143, and was buried in the chapter house of Llanthony Priory outside Gloucester, which he had founded. His widow, who is stated to have entered into religion after his death, was also buried at Llanthony. [Complete Peerage VI:452-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] De Neufmarche, Sybil (I55037)
 
338 He [Patrick de Dunbar] married, 1242, Cecil [a], daughter of John. He died at Whittingham, 24 August 1289, aged 76, and was buried at Dunbar. [Complete Peerage IV:506, XIV:283, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

[a] See chartulary of Coldstream, nos. 1 and 9, and chartulary of Kelso, nos. 77 and 81. She is conjectured to have been an heiress of the family of Fraser, in consequence of which alliance this Earl (4 Nov. 1261) bore (being the first of his race who did so) the roses of the house of Fraser in a bordure round the lion rampant of Dunbar. Christian Bruce (sister of Robert Bruce, the competitor, 1291-92, for the throne of Scotland) is the wife assigned to him in Wood's 'Douglas', but erroneously. (ex inform. A. H. Dunbar). 
Fraser, Cecil (I70138)
 
339 He [Patrick de Dunbar] married, 2ndly, before 4 December 1214, [probably before 1208] Christine, widow of William BRUCE, of Annandale. He died 31 December 1232, having recently become a monk, and was buried at Eccles, aged 80. [Complete Peerage IV:505, XIV:283] Christina (I71035)
 
340 He [Patrick de Dunbar] married, in or before 1213, Eupheme, daughter of William de Brus by Christina, daughter of [----] [and Earl Patrick's stepsister]. He died between May and December 1248, at Marseilles. His widow, who lived at Whittingham in East Lothian, died probably about 1267. [Complete Peerage IV:506, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] Stewart, Eupheme (I70009)
 
341 He [Patrick de Dunbar] married, in or shortly before 1282, Marjory, daughter of Alexander (COMYN), EARL OF BUCHAN [SCT], by Elizabeth, daughter and coheir of Roger (DE QUINCI), EARL OF WINCHESTER. She held the Castle of Dunbar for the Scots till forced, 29 April 1296, to surrender it to Edward I. He died 10 October 1308, aged 66. [Complete Peerage IV:506-7 (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] Comyn, Marjory (I70136)
 
342 He [Ranulph de Gernon] married, about 1141, Maud, daughter of Robert, EARL OF GLOUCESTER, by Mabel, daughter and heir of Robert FITZ-HAMOND, lord of Tewkesbury. ...he died 16 [?17] December 1153, being supposed to have been poisoned by his wife and William Peverell, of Nottingham. He was buried at St. Werburg's, Chester. His widow, who in 1172 founded Repton Priory, co. Derby, died 29 July 1189. [Complete Peerage III:166-7, XIV:170, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] Fitzrobert, Maud (I55299)
 
343 He [Richard de Burgh] married, before 27 February 1280/1, Margaret [possible daughter of Arnoul III, Count of Guisnes, by Alice, daughter of Enguerrand III, Lord of Coucy], who died in 1304. Having been present, 11 May 1326, in the Irish Parliament held at Kilkenny, he went to the monastery at Athassel, where he died 29 July 1326 and was buried shortly before 29 August. [Complete Peerage XII/2: 173-7, XIV:619, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] De Guines, Margaret (I69903)
 
344 He [Richard de Reviers] married Adelise, daughter of William PEVEREL of Nottingham, the elder, by Adeline, his wife. He died 8 September 1107, and was buried in the Abbey of Montebourg. His widow survived her eldest son, Baldwin, and died 27 May 1156 or later. [Complete Peerage IV:309-11, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] Peverel, Adelise (I70343)
 
345 He [Robert, Count of Mortain] m. 1stly, before 1066, Maud, daughter of Robert de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury, by his 1st wife, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, Seigneur of Alencon and Belleme). She was buried in the Abbey of Grestain. He m. 2ndly, Almodis. He d. 8 Dec 1090, and was buried with his 1st wife. [Complete Peerage III:427-8 as corrected by XIV:207] De Montgomery, Maude (I54668)
 
346 He [Roger de Montgomery] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, in a post-em, gives additional information on Mabel:

aka: Mabel/Mabilia Heiress de Belesme (Belleme)

...Mabel of Belesme, described by various sources as "wicked, unnatural and cruel"..."haughty, worldly-minded, crafty, and a babbler". ..."Among those whom either her ambition or her hatred had led her to despoil of their rights was Hugh, Seigneur de la Roche Ige (accent over the "e"), whom she had deprived of his castle. On Dec. 2, 1082, he entered her chamber at the Chateu de Bures, near Troarn, and killed her with his sword. Decapitated her, according to some. Hugh successfully escaped. More detail will be found in "Dictionary of National Biography" (v. 49, pp. 101-2). [Ref: Tom Camfield 29 Feb 1996 message to Gen-Medieval]

died: 10 Dec 1082 [Ref: ES III:636-7]
Dec 5 1082 [Ref: Watney p5, 696]
Dec 2 1079 [Ref: Moriarty p11, 12, 44]
1079 [Ref: Turton p185]
murdered [Ref: Watney p696]

buried: Abbey of Troarn, Eure, (in what is now France) [Ref: McBride, Smokykin] note: Smokykin is David Beckwith's website at http://www.smokykin.com/ged/

Regards,
Curt 
De Alencon, Mabel Talvas (I52748)
 
347 He [Simon de Montfort] m. 3rdly, Agnes, sister and in her issue heiress of William, 3rd Count of Evreux in Normandy, being also stepsister to Ralph de Tosny, and daughter of Richard, 2nd Count of Evreux. By her he appears to have had Richard and Simon, who, in turn succeeded their half-brother Amauri, and William (e); and he certainly had by her a son Amauri, who succeeded the last-named Simon, and a daughter Bertrade (f). Simon d. in or shortly after 1087, and was buried at Epernon. [Complete Peerage VII:Appendix D:710-1] D'evreux, Agnes (I53488)
 
348 He [Walter of Salisbury] married Sibyl, daughter of Patrick DE CHAOURCES [Chaworth], by Maud, daughter of Ernulf DE HESDIN; which Sibyl had as her marriage-portion 15 fees of the old feoffment and one newly made. She died before her husband and was buried near the quire in Bradenstoke. He took the habit of a canon there, died in 1147, and was buried in the same grave as his wife. [Complete Peerage XI:374-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] De Chaworth, Sibyl (I70928)
 
349 He [William d'Aubigny] married Maud, widow of Roger (DE CLARE), EARL OF HERTFORD (who had died 1173), daughter and heir of James DE ST. HILAIRE Du HARCOUET, by Aveline, his wife. He died 24 December 1193, and was buried at Wymondham Priory. [Complete Peerage I:235-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] St. Hillary, Maud (I52596)
 
350 He [William de Briouze] married, in or before 1150, Bertha, 2nd sister and coheir of William of Hereford being daughter of Miles of Gloucester, 1st Earl of Gloucester. Sheriff of Hereford, Easter 1173-75, at which earlier date probably he already possessed the Lordship of Over Gwent. He was living in 1179. [Complete Peerage I:21-2, XIV:6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] Of Gloucester, Bertha (I54828)
 

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